Hey Nick

[Michael J. Meeker]

Nick,

is there any chance you could have one of your lawyers look at the statement below and give us their opinion on how the form states we should measure the roof? I ammost concerned with what the sentence in red means and what we are attesting to when we mark it. Should roof shape that are not part of the perimeter be considered by defination of the form?

Pretty Please.


5.

Roof Geometry: What is the roof shape? (Do not consider roofs of porches or carports that are attached only to the fascia or wall of

the host structure over unenclosed space in the determination of roof perimeter or roof area for roof geometry classification).

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A. Hip Roof Hip roof with no other roof shapes greater than 10% of the total roof system perimeter.

Total length of non-hip features: ______ feet; Total roof system perimeter: _______ feet

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B. Flat Roof Roof on a building with 5 or more units where at least 90% of the main roof area has a roof slope of

less than 2:12. Roof area with slope less than 2:12 ________ sq ft; Total roof area __________sq ft

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C. Other Roof Any roof that does not qualify as either (A) or (B) above.
6. Secondary Water Resistance (SWR): (standard underlayments or hot-mopped felts do not qualify

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[Michael J. Meeker]

I know but I think this is a answer we all in Florida need to hear.

If you know any lawyers Roy I would love their opinion as well.

[Michelle Shishilla]

Mike, I am thinking Lawyers in Colorado can't help with Florida wind mitigation... we can all agree it is a BEAST....

[Michael J. Meeker]

I am not saying anything about John or his class. I think what he does for fellow inspectors is great.

I want to know what the words on the form mean. It is like a contract. We state we did it a specific way and the way is on the form.

It does not appear that the classes are taught according to what is on the form.

If we come to conculsions based on what is taught by many but not what is on the form then we are wrong.

Is it not the law that the insurance companies must accept our conculsion if we follow the definations on the form. They should not be able to accept some things and come to other conculsions based on how they wish it was written they have to follow what is written.

[Michelle Shishilla]

Originally Posted by mmeeker

I am not saying anything about John or his class. I think what he does for fellow inspectors is great.

I want to know what the words on the form mean. It is like a contract. We state we did it a specific way and the way is on the form.

It does not appear that the classes are taught according to what is on the form.

I know you weren't saying anything about John... I know you aren't attacking.... I am just saying that if you have serious concerns... a Colorado attorney can't help you...


InterNACHI is EXTREMELY GENEROUS.... but I can guarantee you NICK'S Attorney's would be i'll equipped to answer questions.

[Michael J. Meeker]

I do not see why any attorney versed in contract law could not answer this or at least define exactly what is said and what it means.

In other words if we went to court what would be defined as following the directions of the form.

[John Shishilla]

What was meant and what is says are not always the same. The law usually will go by intent, not by written word. If there is no contradiction or the intent is disputed it will fall back to the word.

If that helps any.

[John Shishilla]

Who was ever taken to court on a wind mit, name one.

[Michael J. Meeker]

How about all those that do not have to take any training?

How can they be wrong if they follow what is written on the form?

Intent, how the heck do you prove what the intent is? You cannot even get an answer on who wrote the form.

[Michael J. Meeker]

I would love to hear some attorneys opinion on the form and what we are signing our names to.

[John Shishilla]

Originally Posted by mmeeker

How about all those that do not have to take any training?

How can they be wrong if they follow what is written on the form?

Intent, how the heck do you prove what the intent is? You cannot even get an answer on who wrote the form.

You listen at the meetings and read the studies.

[Michael J. Meeker]

That is nothing but opinions.
Tell me what study says a strap coming out of concrete with 1 nail on each side bent over is the same as toenail?
Not friggin possible.

[Michael J. Meeker]

Maybe the lawsuit squishing guy Joe could give his opinion to help his fellow members out. His last name escapes me at the moment.

[Eric C. Van De Ven]

Originally Posted by mmeeker

Nick,

is there any chance you could have one of your lawyers look at the statement below and give us their opinion on how the form states we should measure the roof? I ammost concerned with what the sentence in red means and what we are attesting to when we mark it. Should roof shape that are not part of the perimeter be considered by defination of the form?

Pretty Please.


5.

Roof Geometry: What is the roof shape? (Do not consider roofs of porches or carports that are attached only to the fascia or wall of

the host structure over unenclosed space in the determination of roof perimeter or roof area for roof geometry classification).

��

A. Hip Roof Hip roof with no other roof shapes greater than 10% of the total roof system perimeter.

Total length of non-hip features: ______ feet; Total roof system perimeter: _______ feet

��

B. Flat Roof Roof on a building with 5 or more units where at least 90% of the main roof area has a roof slope of

less than 2:12. Roof area with slope less than 2:12 ________ sq ft; Total roof area __________sq ft

��

C. Other Roof Any roof that does not qualify as either (A) or (B) above.
6. Secondary Water Resistance (SWR): (standard underlayments or hot-mopped felts do not qualify

Why would yo need an attorney to interpret this?

It is a form.
You fill out the form.
Perimeter= distance around.
Length= distance across.

As I said yesterday,
A square house, 40 x 30 = 140 linear feet.
A non-hip feature, like a gable end =15 feet in length.
15/140=10.71% non-hip features= a non-hip roof ACCORDING TO THE FORM.

I can not see any possible way to be sued for filling out the form properly.