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Old 5/11/11, 7:40 PM
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Wind Mitigation Form
8. Secondary Water Resistance

I am 99% certain that 2 layers of 15# felt doesn't meet this requirement, but thought I would post this just to make sure.

Do you agree?




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Old 5/11/11, 7:54 PM
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I concur

"Self adhering polymer modified bitumen roofing underlayment applied directly to the sheathing or foam adhesive SWR barrier (not foamed on insulation) applied as a secondary means to protect the dwelling from water intrusion."



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Old 5/11/11, 8:33 PM
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Yes. It's not peel and stick, so it's not swr.




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Old 5/11/11, 8:52 PM
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you are correct that it does not meet the requirements - Nor does a hot mop under tile
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Old 5/12/11, 4:18 PM
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Nor does peel and stick on top of tintagged felt or just on the seams of the wood.

Only what is said on the form.





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Where does it say that seam sealed does not qualify?



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Old 5/12/11, 7:09 PM
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The plywood would not be covered then. Nowhere does it say on the form that covering the seams only is sufficient as far as I know. Wood is not waterproof.
I have been wrong before and I have yet to pay to hear anyone else's opinion on the matter. Have you seen it say somewhere that is acceptable. With the foam underneath it is like super gluing the deck to the trusses. It would not seem right that taping the seams would result in the same discount.





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Old 5/12/11, 8:12 PM
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I believe John is right. I've taken two differant courses that pointed out that seam sealing is acceptable. Also the foaming is meant more to seal the seams than for hold down. I see glue and adhiesive caulk for uplift resistance around here.
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Old 5/12/11, 9:03 PM
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If anyone has answers please post them.





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Old 5/12/11, 9:25 PM
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If anyone has answers please post them.

The three manuals I have say it is good. Some even use concrete(ie, condo) as SWR. The five classes I took all said the same, modified bitumen peel and stick tape(4") is good. I even built a home with it on the decking.



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Old 5/12/11, 9:36 PM
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Good enough for me. Thanks for sharing.





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John, am I correct in saying that this SWR does NOT apply to Townhomes and condominiums since they are excluded from the definition of site built single family residences? Also low sloped or built up roofs are excluded from these mitigation requirements?





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peel and stick on seems applied directly to deck(thats key), or, foamseal.. end of discussion



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Old 5/12/11, 10:02 PM
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John, am I correct in saying that this SWR does NOT apply to Townhomes and condominiums since they are excluded from the definition of site built single family residences? Also low sloped or built up roofs are excluded from these mitigation requirements?

I write 1802s on townhomes and condos all the time. I agree that a low slope roof with modified bit would just be two layers of roofing, not secondary. One could argue the same with at tile roof. The underlayment is a primary. I have not seen these written anywhere that I can remember.



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Old 5/12/11, 10:07 PM
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Oh, I believe, cement and clay tile roofs are also exempt from the requirement.





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