Wind Mit form

[Kris M. Militano]

Originally Posted by bhoagland

OIR does not want to assume the responsibility for OKing a course or issueing a credential. They wish to leave all the liability in the hands of the inspectors. How far from the truss was that embedded strap? The MSFH program said it needed to be within 2" the code says it needs to be within 1 1/2" and a similar wood used to gap the difference. the manufacturer of the straps all say less than 1/8". Good luck argueing this one in court.

Brian- I agree with you and I have had the same fears. OIR (or anyone) won't take responsibility. The only thing I can say is that we'd have to get a good lawyer to argue that it was all too vague and too many gray areas. If they aren't giving the answers needed and/or proper training how can they place blame on us?

[Michael J. Meeker]

Originally Posted by kmilitano

Brian- I agree with you and I have had the same fears. OIR (or anyone) won't take responsibility. The only thing I can say is that we'd have to get a good lawyer to argue that it was all too vague and too many gray areas. If they aren't giving the answers needed and/or proper training how can they place blame on us?

I have talked to the oir, citizens and anyone else and you are correct absoultly no one takes responsibility.

I would love to hear a Lawyers interpertation of the form. Don't forget a wrap with only 3 nails in it is a clip. It was not that way when the state run msfh was running but that is what the for says. Read very carefully before you put your signature on it.

[Jose F. Uz]

Originally Posted by Jason Horrocks

Could someone please tell me who I could call or where I could view the information that a contractor has to have an additional wind mitigation course to complete inspections???

It seems in regards to Wind mitigation questions everyone has there own opinion. I want to continue to complete inspections but need to know for a fact that you have to take an additional course????

I called FLOIR and they said that all you have to be is a licensed contractor, they knew nothing about additional courses???

Thanks.

Maybe I can help; at least I hope so.
Yes, with a GC license you can sign, but think of this a Doctor (MD) can write a prescription and see and treat patients. Now with that in mind why are there specific training for specific specialties? Because although your family doctor can see you and treat you for a heart condition I think you would be better off with a Cardiologist. When it comes to liability, if something went wrong how would a judge or jury look at you or anyone when asked have you had discipline specific training on this specialized type of inspection or issue? if the answer is no-will it be viewed as neglect, reckless disregard or perhaps ignorance. All answers go to the same place your liable, they offer no defense.
The only Mitigation training approved by the States building commission which includes specific inspection step wise approach and how to answer the questions on the 1802 forms and provides 7 hours of CE for Contractors, Architects and Engineers including 1 core hour is:

http://contractorsexamschool.com/Wind%20Mitigation.htm

I hope this helped.

Regards,

Jose'

[Michael J. Meeker]

Jose,

Tonight a guy at the meeting was telling me that citizens does not accept rev 02/10. have you heard anything about this. Many people seem to still be accepting 07/07

[Jose F. Uz]

From my experience the insurance companies have a free for all and they will accept or deny as they please when not legitimately challenged.

Regards,

Jose'

[Michael J. Meeker]

That is what it seems to me also. Good luck to all. Anyone out there who needs help feel free to contact me anytime.

[Joseph J. Melbourne]

Does anyone know if there is a fillable field version of the new form available ?

[Jay C. Murray]

As I read and study the new form, I see some glaring issues.

First, it's obviously designed to make the credits harder to come by. We all can see this and there is really nothing to say about it. However, there is another issue nobody is talking about. Look at the following:
"I, (__)am a qualified inspector and I personally performed the inspection or had
my employee (__) perform the inspection and I agree to be responsible for his/her work."

The term "employee" is what no one is talking about. Any of you guys out their who have any form of contractors license, should understand the ramifications of "employee" to a contractor.
The state is clearly making it too costly for contractors/engineers to sign off wind mits for their fellow inspectors.
In addition, the "agree to be responsible for his work". Really means,liable to the insurance company should the roof blow off during the next hurricane and there were 3 nails instead of 4.
The whole thing smells. Would any of you guys sign an inspection report with the following language?
"... entity who knowingly provides or utters a false or fraudulent mitigation verification form with the intent to obtain or receive a discount on an insurance premium to which the individual or entity is not entitled commits a misdemeanor of the first degree... The Qualified Inspector who certifies this form is strictly liable for all acts, statements, concealment of facts, omissions, and documentation provided by his or her employee who actually performed the inspection."
WOW, criminal and civil. The whole thing stinks!

[Frank Revello]

The new mitigation form, under the roof covering section asks for Either:The permit application date OR the date of installation.

Does this mean that a finalized roof permit is not required to obtain the credit, if the date of installation is March 02 or later?