Wind mit Scenerio #10 see picuture first

[John Shishilla]

What is in the pictures clips, wrap or other?

[Greg Bell]

page 101 of the york manual states that connectors not meeting these minimum requirements should be reported as other with an explanation. Do not simply "down rate" double wraps to single, single wraps to clips and clips to toe nails.

[Kenneth Dolin]

I thought we went through this previously, but I am happy to go over it again, I agree with Other, improperly placed single wraps, too far away from truss. Thanks John and Greg.
Keep them coming John

[Jay C. Murray]

Clips, to far away from the truss to qualify as single straps.

[Greg Bell]

Originally Posted by jmurray4

Clips, to far away from the truss to qualify as single straps.

Just wondering who provided your training for wind mits.

[dquigley]

Originally Posted by gbell

page 101 of the york manual states that connectors not meeting these minimum requirements should be reported as other with an explanation. Do not simply "down rate" double wraps to single, single wraps to clips and clips to toe nails.

Greg is absolutely correct with his description of why it is "other" and not a clip. However, if you had a strap that was located the proper distance from the truss, but only had 3 total nails (ie 2 on one side and one on other side), this would be downgraded to a clip.

[Greg Bell]

Originally Posted by dquigley

Greg is absolutely correct with his description of why it is "other" and not a clip. However, if you had a strap that was located the proper distance from the truss, but only had 3 total nails (ie 2 on one side and one on other side), this would be downgraded to a clip.

Hi Dennis,

I think that we took the same class in Jacksonville. If so please read page 101 of the training manual. The book states that we should not downgrade anything. If it doesn't meet the requirements then we should mark other and give a reason why.

[Kenneth Dolin]

TOE NAILS, with a side of finger nails

[William P. Campbell]

Yes, other according to Bill York's training. To add-on to that question. What if that was the only one not to be within tolerance. Would one be enough to create an other choice?

[Greg Bell]

Originally Posted by wcampbell2

Yes, other according to Bill York's training. To add-on to that question. What if that was the only one not to be within tolerance. Would one be enough to create an other choice?

Yes as that is the weakest attachment. You are always looking for the weakest element. As a side note I think I could find one that is more than a 1/4 inch on just about every house.

[Kenneth Dolin]

What is the WEAKEST roof to wall connection. I guess you could interpret that as a singular item, or as the design component.
I would hate to think that it would come down to the singular items. that could lead to marking every nail in every truss for the spacing

[Greg Bell]

Originally Posted by kdolin

What is the WEAKEST roof to wall connection. I guess you could interpret that as a singular item, or as the design component.
I would hate to think that it would come down to the singular items. that could lead to marking every nail in every truss for the spacing

The training manual says that you should examine 6 connectors in two different locations. It also states that you should scan the top cord of 3 trusses with one being an edge truss.

All of these questions are answered in the training manual provided with the york class.

[Michael J. Meeker]

Just curious and I am not saying anyone is wrong but where on the form does it state anything about being installed to code.



4. Roof to Wall Attachment:

What is the weakest roof to wall connection?

A. Toe Nails Rafter/truss anchored to top plate of wall using nails driven at an angle through the rafter/truss and attached

to the top plate of the wall.

B. Clips Metal attachments on every rafter/truss that are nailed to one side (or both sides in the case of a diamond

type clip) of the rafter/truss and attached to the top plate of the wall frame or embedded in the bond beam.

C. Single Wraps Metal Straps must be secured to every rafter/truss with a minimum of 3 nails, wrapping over and securing to the opposite side of the rafter/truss with a minimum of 1 nail. The Strap must be attached to the top plate of the wall frame or embedded in the bond beam in at least one place.

D. Double Wraps Both Metal Straps must be secured to every rafter/truss with a minimum of 3 nails, wrapping over and securing to the opposite side of the rafter/truss with a minimum of 1 nail. Each Strap must be attached to the top plate of the wall frame or embedded in the bond beam in at least one place.

E. Structural Anchor bolts structurally connected or reinforced concrete roof.

F. Other: ______________________________________

G. Unknown or Unidentified
H. No attic access

[Greg Bell]

Who said anything about code?

[Michael J. Meeker]

All the talk about how the straps are installed. I assumed people were saying it must be to code. I do not see anything about them even being properly installed or any definition of what properly installed is on the form.