Wind mit Scenerio #8

[John Shishilla]

Here is a classic, which is it?

Roof to Wall Attachment: What is the weakest roof to wall connection?

A. Toe Nails Rafter/truss anchored to top plate of wall using nails driven at an angle through the rafter/truss and attached to the top plate of the wall.

B. Clips Metal attachments on every rafter/truss that are nailed to one side (or both sides in the case of a diamond type clip) of the rafter/truss and attached to the top plate of the wall frame or embedded in the bond beam.

C. Single Wraps Metal Straps must be secured to every rafter/truss with a minimum of 3 nails, wrapping over and securing to the opposite side of the rafter/truss with a minimum of 1 nail. The Strap must be attached to the top plate of the wall frame or embedded in the bond beam in at least one place.

D. Double Wraps Both Metal Straps must be secured to every rafter/truss with a minimum of 3 nails, wrapping over and securing to the opposite side of the rafter/truss with a minimum of 1 nail. Each Strap must be attached to the top plate of the wall frame or embedded in the bond beam in at least one place.

E. Structural Anchor bolts structurally connected or reinforced concrete roof.
F. Other: ______________________________________
G. Unknown or Unidentified
H. No attic access

[dquigley]

oops
I'm changing my answer --- didn't notice the pics

The answer is "F" other --- Straps are to far away from truss

[Jeffrey R. Jonas]

Not from Florida, but that is irrelevant...

Answer would be H...

You cannot rate a connection that you cannot see, or verify even exists.

Answer would not be G (unknown), because G also contains (unidentified).

[John Shishilla]

Originally Posted by jjonas

Not from Florida, but that is irrelevant...

Answer would be H...

You cannot rate a connection that you cannot see, or verify even exists.

Answer would not be G (unknown), because G also contains (unidentified).

but the pictures are right there, I can see the connection.

[Jeffrey R. Jonas]

Originally Posted by jshishilla

but the pictures are right there, I can see the connection.

Oops, you're right John, sorry.

I read through the Poll choices, then through the opening post for more details, and skipped over the pics to see what others have posted. My post was a general statement (as your poll indicated by it's choices). I didn't realize the poll was to determine the connections in the pics.

My apologies.

[dquigley]

Originally Posted by jjonas

Oops, you're right John, sorry.

I didn't realize the poll was to determine the connections in the pics.

Same here, I went back and revised my original post -- nice feature

[Greg Bell]

I agree. There is also not enough nails.

[Dennis J. Bonner]

by definition(as the form reads) those are clips..

[dquigley]

Originally Posted by dbonner

by definition(as the form reads) those are clips..

Why are they clips?
to me they are improperly installed straps

[Dennis J. Bonner]

they are poor straps, but dont have 3 nails on face and one on back- so they dont qualify as Single Wrap straps. but they are metal attachments on every truss that are nailed to one side and embedded in the bond beam, no?

[John Shishilla]

Originally Posted by dbonner

they are poor straps, but dont have 3 nails on face and one on back- so they dont qualify as Single Wrap straps. but they are metal attachments on every truss that are nailed to one side and embedded in the bond beam, no?

If that is the case; then wind mit Scenario #7 would qualify as clips also. That is what I posted in that Scenario, not enough nails for wraps.

That was my point of posting this.

I would easily mark this as clips, but WM SCenario #7 would be more difficult even though they both meet the definition on the form.

[John Shishilla]

I would like to hear how you would get toe nails or no access from this scenario.

[Dennis J. Bonner]

Originally Posted by jshishilla

If that is the case; then wind mit Scenario #7 would qualify as clips also. That is what I posted in that Scenario, not enough nails for wraps.

That was my point of posting this.

I would easily mark this as clips, but WM SCenario #7 would be more difficult even though they both meet the definition on the form.

yeah-#7 is more subjective because they are so poorly installed-according to the form-they are clips, but one could describe them next to "other" , or put clips, and describe them in a sidenote. Either way would not be incorrect.

[William P. Campbell]

I agree that according to the form they are clips. We're using our own subjectivity in saying they're not because they aren't 1/4" away or less. As far as wraps. My interpretation as far as nails is that there must be at least 3 nails total with one of those three nails on the opposite side and that 4 total nails are not needed to meet the criteria of a single wrap. What's your take.

[Dennis J. Bonner]

To qualify as single wraps- they need to have 3 nails on one side, wrap over and have at least 1 nail on the other side. Thats 4 nails total to qualify for single wraps. This i am 100% confident of being the current industry standard.