Florida Licensing Thread

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Jay Schwartz

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Posted: Aug 13, 2005 9:45 PM       Post Subject:
The Florida Licensing Thread has been created for the following purpose;

1) To allow the Members of NACHI to learn about any proposed, pending, or current legislation that may have an impact on their business.

2) This thread is for professional and ethical posts only. I have asked this thread to be monitored.

3) In the event there is thread drift or an attempt to insert personal attacks, I have asked that those posts be deleted from the thread.

4) The purpose of the thread is to allow Florida NACHI members to openly communicate their feelings about licensing, registration, certification, or trade practice laws that may be introduced during the next Florida Legislative session or any communication being conducted with State officials or departments.

5) It is imperative that we respect each other's opinions. Please note that there will be some NACHI inspectors that may or may not be in favor of government or industry involvement.

6) It is my responsibility to report to John Bowman and Blaine Wiley, your questions, comments, efforts, and proposals.
Your Agenda is My Agenda.

7) If you wish not to post and want your communication to be kept confidential, you may either PM me or email me at FLORIDANACHI@Bellsouth.net

I strongly encourage all Florida NACHI members to get involved in this thread. Please visit as often as possible.

I look forward to working for everyone as your Legislative Committee Member.

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James Bushart

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Posted: Aug 14, 2005 12:57 AM       Post Subject:
Jay,

Normally I agree with you, but not this time.

Every home inspector in America has something at stake in every HI law that is formulated, since legislatures often look at other states for precedent when writing laws. Limiting your discussion, IMO, does an injustice to other NACHI members.

Additionally, this is a political topic and politics do not always allow for kind words and warm fuzzies.

Accordingly, out of respect for your desire to keep this thread suited for your purpose, I am providing an alternative thread that will NOT be monitored or edited, on this same subject for anyone who wishes to join in on the discussion.

Here it is: https://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=14757

With this alternative, no one will be left out.

Let the games begin...

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Greg Bell

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Posted: Aug 14, 2005 6:28 AM       Post Subject:
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Jay Schwartz

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Posted: Aug 14, 2005 9:00 AM       Post Subject:
jbushart wrote:
Jay,

Normally I agree with you, but not this time.

Every home inspector in America has something at stake in every HI law that is formulated, since legislatures often look at other states for precedent when writing laws. Limiting your discussion, IMO, does an injustice to other NACHI members.

Additionally, this is a political topic and politics do not always allow for kind words and warm fuzzies.

Accordingly, out of respect for your desire to keep this thread suited for your purpose, I am providing an alternative thread that will NOT be monitored or edited, on this same subject for anyone who wishes to join in on the discussion.

Here it is: https://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=14757

With this alternative, no one will be left out.

Let the games begin...


Jim:

No more games. The purpose of this thread is not to stymie debate. It is a forum for professional discussion, not personal attacks.

Greg:
I agree with your some of your statement. ASHI & FABI came to the SE Florida meeting as ambassadors in good faith. Reaching out to me and NACHI to work together in a professional non-confrontational manner unlike what transpired, for good reason I might add, over the past few months.

Jim:
You and I may disagree, however, your involvement is most welcome as much as any other public poster. Remember this is not a members-only thread. The Florida Inspectors cannot afford anymore unprofessional mudslinging if real work is going to be accomplished.
I have asked Joey Cabellero and Jeff Rothberg, as the SE Legislative Committee Member for NACHI, to be included on their Florida Home Inspector Alliance Board. They acknowledged there is a need to have me there. We are making more progress by having civil and professional discussion vs. Name calling and personal attacks.

For those that know me, you will find I take my profession and position very seriously and it is my goal to collect as much information from the Florida membership and report my findings to John and Blaine.

This is the most critical time in the Florida Home Inspection Industry. NACHI has the opportunity to have true involvement in the legislative process along with ASHI,FABI, and NAHI. We as an association cannot and should not have deliberate personal attacks get in the way of progress.

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jburkeson
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Posted: Aug 15, 2005 1:11 PM       Post Subject:

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jschwartz1 wrote:
I have asked Joey Cabellero and Jeff Rothberg, as the SE Legislative Committee Member for NACHI, to be included on their Florida Home Inspector Alliance Board. They acknowledged there is a need to have me there. We are making more progress by having civil and professional discussion vs. Name calling and personal attacks.


I truly wish you success with this endeavor, but if your personal beliefs for not supporting the original HB 315 bill were due to it being too restrictive, then you will have a much more difficult road ahead of you next year when a real licensing bill is introduced by the DPBR.

I believe we have already seen the bill that would have favored most NACHI members and when given the opportunity, we failed to support it. What will be sent down from the DPBR is guaranteed to be consumer protection oriented and require proven HI accountability.

The Alliance is consistent in their support of home inspector accountability, standardized mandatory education, proctored testing and consumer protection, NACHI has yet to adopt these tenants with the same strict adherence as other HI associations have. That being said... It is easy to see that you may be placed in a precarious position that has previously rekindled the fires of name calling and personal attacks. Plain & simple we can expect the next HI bill will have teeth, will be much harder to like and as in the past be supported by FABI and the Alliance, where that places you and NACHI is yet to be established.

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James Bushart

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Posted: Aug 15, 2005 1:18 PM       Post Subject:
Jay,

Do you have the blessing of NACHI's president and ED to represent the association in this alliance? If not, it is no alliance.

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Gerry Beaumont

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Posted: Aug 15, 2005 3:10 PM       Post Subject:
Hi to all,

James, this time there is no alliance as such from my understanding, rather the DPR is working under instruction from the Govenors office. to that end the DPR has reached out to individuals who they have recognized as having valid input into the future debate.

Regards

Gerry

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James Bushart

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Posted: Aug 15, 2005 3:15 PM       Post Subject:
Gerry,

I am referring to this.

jschwartz1 wrote:
[I have asked Joey Cabellero and Jeff Rothberg, as the SE Legislative Committee Member for NACHI, to be included on their Florida Home Inspector Alliance Board. They acknowledged there is a need to have me there.

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Jay Schwartz

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Posted: Aug 15, 2005 5:36 PM       Post Subject:
James:

As the Legislative Commitee member for the SE, I would be the go to person as it relates to any board. I have been given that vote of confidence and assignment by Blaine Wiley.

That being said, I like the way this thread is going and I look forward to seeing more posts with this spirit.

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James Bushart

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 5:41 PM       Post Subject:
The Department of Business and Professional Regulation is scheduled hold the first of four meetings regarding alternatives-to-licensure in the areas of home inspection, mold assessment and mold remediation.

On June 22, Gov. Jeb Bush vetoed House Bill 315, enacted by the 2005 Legislature, relating to building assessment and remediation.

In a veto message, Bush said more consumer protection is needed for these fields and directed DBPR to work with various stakeholders prior to the 2006 legislative session to develop proposed legislation.

Each of the four meetings will focus on a particular aspect of building assessment and remediation and the starting point for the discussions will be the alternative-to-licensure approach in HB 315, a release said.

The workshop topic for the August 16th meeting is alternatives to licensure and consumer protection in the field of home inspection.

A call-in number is 850-921-6623. All building assessment and remediation stakeholder meetings will be held at DBPR's main office in Tallahassee, starting at 9:00 a.m.

The department's mission is to protect the health, safety and welfare of those doing business in Florida. DBPR licenses nearly one million businesses and professionals ranging from real estate agents, architects, veterinarians and funeral homes to contractors and cosmetologists.



? 2005 American City Business Journals Inc.

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This is today, folks. Sorry for the delay in getting this to you but the Florida news does not travel fast to Missouri.

This is your opportunity to directly make input that could affect your future in the home inspection business. Don't wait until the bill reaches the legislature to start sharing your thoughts. Talk to the people as they draft it.

Good luck.

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Jay Schwartz

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 5:48 PM       Post Subject:
Thanks Jim.

The meeting did take place today and I am waiting for a phone call about what transpired. Had the players involved, notified NACHI vs. telling us about it after the fact, more may have been accomplished prior to the first meeting.

That being said, I am waiting to hear back from Joey Caballero and Jeff Rothberg on the discussion that took place today. If FABI and ASHI are willing to include our position, then we are willing to work side by side. If they want to tell us what we have to agree to then it may not be a viable relationship.

Compromise - "In order to get something, you have to give something up." David Malen

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James Bushart

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 5:51 PM       Post Subject:
Jay

Are you saying that FABI and ASHI were there and we knew about it? icon_eek.gif

This does not sound like a coalition to me.

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Greg Bell

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 5:57 PM       Post Subject:
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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 6:02 PM       Post Subject:

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For once Jay and I will agree on something here. Jim why don't you just let Jay and the others in Florida do what they want? Do you have to stick your political enforcer nose into everything ?

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James Bushart

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 6:15 PM       Post Subject:
jschwartz1 wrote:

Compromise - "In order to get something, you have to give something up." David Malen


Jay,

NACHI's position on this, as stated by its President, is simple and clear. I don't see what you would want to give up regarding it. NACHI supports legislation that is not association biased and that does not put anyone out of work. Where do you find room for compromise in that?

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Jay Schwartz

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 6:15 PM       Post Subject:
Jim:

FABI and ASHI were there. They informed us about the meeting on Friday night at the SE FL event. We were not included on the States list of contacts because Jerry Peck, who may be authoring a portion of the proposal, was invited to Tallahassee.

One proposal was to give every home inspector a License, but with a catch.

The catch is:
An inspector has three years to obtain the State Required Eligibility. That inspector would be given a special license code that would identify that individual of not meeting all the requirements. i.e. 250 inspections. It would also require an inspector that did not meet the requirements to have to join a multi inspector firm in order to qualify for a license. (MA Model) We know this is a very bad proposal!

I told Jeff Rothberg that there is no way NACHI would ever support such an agenda. I did speak to Jeff about having a standardized SOP. He did agree with me on that. Our National Exam will be proctored within the next 2 months all over the country. Deanna in Colorado is handling this project. So far she has about 55 Community Colleges she is setting the exam up at. NACHI will be proctored therefore there cannot be anymore talk about that issue.

Back on point. I look forward to working with ASHI and FABI to write common sense legislation, registration, trade practices, or whatever it turns out looking like.

I proposed to Jeff Rothberg and Joey Cabellero to have one inspector from each association to sit on a board. The sole purpose of the board to to make sure the other associations are following the rules that may be agreed upon at a later date if DBPR feels there is a need for one. I proposed that the trade associations act independently and appoint their own member designee. The designee would be determined by the Executive leadership of the trade association.

I do not feel it is necessary to debate the italicized portion at this time. This is a summary of what Jeff Rothberg and I discussed and were in pretty much agreement to the other day. As with all relationships, it does take time to grow. We are off to a very good start.

This meeting was by invitation only. I will have news about the meeting in the next 24 hours.

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Jay Schwartz

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 6:17 PM       Post Subject:
James:

I hold NACHI's position as it is. The other orgs don't. They will need to compromise.

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James Bushart

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 6:18 PM       Post Subject:
jschwartz1 wrote:

This meeting was by invitation only. I will have news about the meeting in the next 24 hours.


Jay,

The meeting was open to the public. They put out a news release. Who told you it was by invitation only?

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James Bushart

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 6:21 PM       Post Subject:
I would suggest that anyone who objects to Jerry Peck's bill contact the DBPR at 850-921-6623 and let them know that they oppose it. This is the phone number that the DBPR published for people who could not attend.

Don't waste any time.

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Jay Schwartz

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Posted: Aug 16, 2005 6:21 PM       Post Subject:
James:

I am reporting what I was told.

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