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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Based upon the information received toooday from a fellow NACHI member, Joe Tedesco has apparently taken it upon himself to cut and past some posts of NACHI members, made on this message board, and has used them on another message board for entertainment purposes.


I feel this behaviour is inexcusable.

Joe T may be knowledgable, but I believe he has some serious issues with home inspectors.

As such, and in response to Joe's actions, the MAB is discussing bringing an Ethics Complaint against Mr Tedesco.

His priveleges and access to this message board will also likely be suspended.


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Joe Farsetta

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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jfarsetta wrote:
I feel this behaviour is inexcusable.


As do I.

His fabricated post was a misrepresentation made in a willful attempt to discredit our profession.


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Jeff Pope
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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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jfarsetta wrote:
Based upon the information received toooday from a fellow NACHI member, Joe Tedesco has apparently taken it upon himself to cut and past some posts of NACHI members, made on this message board, and has used them on another message board for entertainment purposes.

I feel this behaviour is inexcusable.

Joe T may be knowledgable, but I believe he has some serious issues with home inspectors.

As such, and in response to Joe's actions, the MAB is discussing bringing an Ethics Complaint against Mr Tedesco.

His priveleges and access to this message board will also likely be suspended.



http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000473.html

Sorry if my post created a problem for you, but if anyone who is making an electrical inspection has to ask a question like this, and look for answers on a public board, they should stop offering that service!

There are many images from some who ask a question about an electrical installation, and expect an answer about the electrical defects so they can complete their report.

Many reply, and with some good information, and that too puts some questions in the threads.

If the public, and especially the homeowner sees the question from their HI how does that look for NACHI?

It seems that only the few who have time on their hands continue to post their replies too messages that I post, and that's OK, however they too may have something to hide as well.

My questions on the NEC board give some HI's heartburn because they may not have known about the requirement in the past.

I thought that was an approach that would be welcomed.

In the meantime, I think that an inexperienced HI who has little or no knowledge should stay away from the electrical systems, especially the panelboard.


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Originally Posted By: kwilliams
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jpope wrote:
jfarsetta wrote:
I feel this behaviour is inexcusable.


As do I.

His fabricated post was a misrepresentation made in a willful attempt to discredit our profession.


As do I.


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Originally Posted By: lkage
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jfarsetta wrote:
I feel this behaviour is inexcusable.


...and immature.


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"I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him."
Galileo Galilei

Originally Posted By: phinsperger
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In a few weeks Nick will politely and humbly ask that Joe T be allowed back.



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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Quote:
I was only calling attention to the truth



Quote:
Joe Tedesco
Member posted 09-23-2005 10:57 AM
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Ryan:
I can't stop laughing too what a crying joke, see the poll so far, and some of the comments as well. http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=15786


Really. And instead of making your statement on this message board, you chose to cut the response from here, and post it on a bulletin board intended for electricians. You went on to ridicule the inspector in question, and widened your target while in the process..

A crying joke. See the poll so far. Some of the comments, as well.

Joe, yours is an argument of convenience.


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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
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Originally Posted By: jschwartz1
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jfarsetta wrote:
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I was only calling attention to the truth



Quote:
Joe Tedesco
Member posted 09-23-2005 10:57 AM
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Ryan:
I can't stop laughing too what a crying joke, see the poll so far, and some of the comments as well. http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=15786


Really. And instead of making your statement on this message board, you chose to cut the response from here, and post it on a bulletin board intended for electricians. You went on to ridicule the inspector in question, and widened your target while in the process..

A crying joke. See the poll so far. Some of the comments, as well.

Joe, yours is an argument of convenience.


It was an argument of IGNORANCE


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Originally Posted By: wdecker
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I believe that the problem is one of different world views.


I have met Joe and find that the man is a genius with regards to electrical systems and the NEC code. He can be a valuable resource to NACHI, with regards to education and help.

But Joe's worldview is one that puts the NEC code on a pedastal, that sees it as the highest standard. If the code says something, that is as if handed down from on high. There can be no variation from code. This is the world of electricans. They do work based upon the code and the code protects them. That is well and good and perfectly proper for their worldview and profession.

Home inspectors, on the other hand, have a different worldview, properly so. Here I speak about the laws, requirements and situation in my area. Other areas of the country may be different, but the general principles still apply.

In Illinois, home inspectors are REQUIRED, by state law, to call out ALL safety hazards that we see. To not do so would be a violation of the law and a betrayal of our client's trust.

Homes built in the 1960s do not have GFCI protection (it wasn't available as a product at the time of construction and, therefore, not reauired by code). Under grandfathering rules, such houses are not REQUIRED to have GFCI protection in kitchens and bathrooms. Heck, they are not even required to have grounded outlets! But, as a matter of safety, they most definately should! But I run into a large number of electricians in my area who are hired to address the defects I call out who tell me that I am crazy. They always tell me, 'Hey, it's code and it's OK". I try to explain that it is not safe, but these words just fly past them. They really and truely have no idea what I am talking about. To them, code is king!

I recently inspected a house in the suburbs. New construction, selling for 1.2 Mil. There was no AFCI protection to the bedrooms and I called this out as unsafe (which it is). The seller (builder) responded that he obtained the permit before the requirement, and in any case, this local municipality did not require AFCI protection. He was looking at it from the worldvoew of code being the highest standard. After some conversation, I got him to see that safety and code are two totally different things. This realization shocked him when he finally understood.

The disconnect here is that an electrician works to the standard of code. That is their world and their job. Home inspectors work to the standard of the best interests of our clients. We are charged with completely (as completely as possible, given the 'visual inspection' SOP) and accurately describing the property and explaining the condition to our clients. That is our job.

The two jobs are completely different.


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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Will,


I too have met and worked with Joe Tedesco, but I can find no legitimate reason to justify or explain his apparent fondness for holding us up for ridicule.

The Ethics Committee will be reviewing a complaint that will argue whether or not Joe should remain as a member, so that is still up in the air. The facts certainly show, without any additional consideration, that he lacks the professionalism and empathy to provide training to home inspectors. He will not be invited back to Missouri.


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Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Jim,


Don't misunderstand me. I, too, believe that Joe should go. I was merely trying to explain why he is not a good fit for what NACHI needs.

As Joe F. has posted, he keeps approaching us as 'little electrical inspectors' rather than as home inspectors. He does not seem to understand, or even try to understand, what our job is, as oppsoed to electricians and electrical inspectors.

When I spoke to him, I mentioned a couple of things that I call out. Hre responded, "That will get you laughed at by any decent electrician." He could not underetand that I don't work for the electrician, nor do I really care what they choose to think of me. They can say that I don't know their job (which may be true) but I can respond that they don't know mine.

And the two jobs are different.

Hope this helps to clarify my position.


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Ironic…


I have laughed at the so-called competency of "master" electricians.

One such craftsman actually corrected me when I described the wiring of a house, and its main penel, as a giant parallel circuit. For the next 15 minutes, he explained to me how a house is one giant SERIES circuit.

I asked him if he had ever heard of Ohm's Law, and how its principles apply to, amd effect current flow in a residential and commercial setting.

He laughed at me, and said that I needed to hit the books. He went on to state thatit was because some hold the level of "mis-understanding" that I have, brought about the need for licensing of electricians.

Imagine... this guy has been a licensed electrician for more than 30 years.

He should have put the words "You build 'em, we'll burn 'em down." on his business cards.


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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

Originally Posted By: jbushart
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IMO, competency can be increased with additional experience and training. Credentials can be obtained much the same way. The “third C”, character, is something you have or you don’t. You don’t pick it up on the job.


Whatever Joe Tedesco has demonstrated in the past, regarding his competency and credentials, has been overshadowed by his lack of character as demonstrated by his decision to cut and paste copyrighted material from this site and use it (out of context, mind you) to disparage certain individuals by name - as well as our association and our profession.

There is no way to excuse this type of behavior. He and Hooper are two people who will accept money to teach while condemning the same student in another media.

I think you know my opinion of Hooper. By comparison, I can see no real difference, other than the fact that Hooper is a better and more polished liar.


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Originally Posted By: wdecker
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I come at it from my background in physics. My best and oldest friend is a master electrician, the former assistant cheif electrical inspector and now an instructor at the local IBEW school. (BTW: He also has a msters in history and and a teachers certificate. He ain’t no dummy.)


We have some marvelous arguments!

I keep telling him that with A/C, there is no sich thing as a hot and a neutral because the polarity keeps switching. He tells me that I have no idea what I am talking about. He has his worldview and I have mine. His understanding of electrical suits and equips him for what he has to do. Mine suits me.

Ohms law, when one gets right down to it, is simple grammer shcool arithmatics, not even math. Multiply, divide and square roots. Simple. The equasions do nothing more that describe the physical relationship of the four measurable qualities (impedance, volts, amps and watts). Kind of like Maxwell's equations without the calculus.

I guess its like the difference in two classes that teach calculus. One is greared towards mathamaticians and one is greared towards accountants.

Getting back to Joe T. He seems incapable of understanding things drom the HI point of view. Worse yet, he seems incapable of even understanding that there IS another point of view.

He seems to REALLY not understand what he has done.

Kind of sad, really.


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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hmm…well I am a home inspector and I specilize in electrical inspections and well…I also sometimes question things inspectors say who are not electricians like myself…but hey home inspectors are not supposed to know as much as us electricians do.


Being that I happen to be a master electrician, electrical contractor and a home inspector.....and in fact teach the NEC at the local university and a MOD for an electrial forum I fell sorry he feels he needs to cut and paste and RUN when he could help educate....this is why I joined this board to help educate others in electrical and learn myself more in other fields I do not know nearly as much about......

Also i have alot of HI friends and electrical friends....we all get along great and maybe it is because they know I do both...but their is no need to have issues....lets face it a electrician should not feel threatened by a HI if the electrician did everything right in the first place.....so only the ones that feel threatened by HI's might just have something to hide in my opinion.

I guess doing both has given me the ability to look at it from both worlds.....but posting comments here to other places JUST to get a rise in their pants is down right wrong...and should be banned from the board in general is my opinion.


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Originally Posted By: lkage
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pabernathy wrote:
hmm....this is why I joined this board to help educate others in electrical and learn myself more in other fields I do not know nearly as much about.


Welcome Paul...looking forward to your input. ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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Welcome, Paul. I look forward to your posts. Rumor has it that the NEC forum might be needing a new leader in the hours to come.



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Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Joe,


Being one of those " Master Electricians " i am kinda offended myself that when argued that home inspectors should not be belittled I find it that now a HI is doing the same thing to " Master Electricians "

Look....if the guys was a master and for 30 years he probably got his masters license under the grandfather clause in most states......BUT I can tell you......as a Tested and state board PASSED master electrician your statement is NOT correct of all Master Electricians...

I was not GIVEN my license...I tested for it.....not only as a Journeyman but then again by the state as a Master and then again as a Class B Contractor.....

How many state exams have YOU taken?

Look brother I am on your side.....I dont think his comments were right but lets not stoop to his level......I bring a good view on this because i do BOTH and they both have their place in the world today and always will...

This statement bothered me."I have laughed at the so-called competency of "master" electricians. "

Now lets talk Harmonics, Triple Harmonics and linear and non-linear loads and whole house calucations and multi-family dwellings and compute service loads and conductor fill and well...you name it.....we are not all given a master licences....I tested and EARNED mine...


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Electrical Service Specialists
Licensed Master Electrician
Electrical Contractor
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NEC Instructor
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Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Well James…I am here if they want me…I am going no where and when it comes to the NEC I know it, where to find it and will not post about it unless I can tell you exactly where to go to review it.


As stated I am already a MOD as well at another forum in electrical and i have to say......this organization is top notch all the way up to NICK himself as I have chatted with him a few times in e-mail and I am very impressed...

Regardless....I am here to assist anyone that needs it.....thats what people do...NOT cut and paste and berate someone on another forum...


To me it is VERY wrong to do what this person did.....it is not a Pi@@ing contest..If he feels HI's need to know more...then help educate not berate the people....everyday we are here to learn something.


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Paul W. Abernathy- NACHI Certified
Electrical Service Specialists
Licensed Master Electrician
Electrical Contractor
President of NACHI Central Virginia Chapter
NEC Instructor
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Originally Posted By: jwortham
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Welcome to the party Paul.


I look forward to hearing more from you.