Albany, New York Seminar

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Ben Kelly

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 9:40 AM       Post Subject:
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Ben Kelly

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 9:41 AM       Post Subject:
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Ben Kelly

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 9:43 AM       Post Subject:
jbowman wrote:
Ben,

Now you are suggesting that the Hotel allowed Bob & Helen to actually tap into the panel box located in a conference room.

Please....Give us a break. None of us are that dumb.



You must be, our company has done it. Maybe we were trained better though. I am not sure on that one.
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John Bowman
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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 9:50 AM       Post Subject:
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I don't know who took the picture, or why. I don't know if the wires were hot or not. DO YOU?


Joe Tedesco took the pictures.

Yes I do know. I have seen the display at least three times now. Once in Colorado, once in Canada, and again just two days ago.

The beauty of the board simulator is that it is viewable from both sides and is purposely positioned in such a manner for training when needed.
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joetedesco
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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 12:23 PM       Post Subject:

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Robert Brown

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 3:12 PM       Post Subject:
To all,

These test boards, some with a closed back and some not, have been wired incorrectly. Obviously, this has been done on purpose.

Prior to allowing anyone to go near the boards, a discussion was held with everyone in attendance regarding safety (which you Joe participated in) and how home inspectors should conduct themselves during an inspection. This was directly related to electrical safety.

A statement regarding the booklets was also directed to everyone who attended. It was suggested that everyone who received a booklet, to check the NEC as well as their local codes etc., for any differences, and to update the booklets as necessary.

Yes, the larger test board was connected to an extension cord however, I do not believe this to be a problem as the board was set up for testing purposes only. It was not built to accomodate any device (which consumes power) to be plugged into any outlet on this board. Therefore, the board itself is safe.

Attendees were also asked not to open the A.C. box as wires in there were live and therefore that box should have been left alone.

Obviously, even with instructions, someone did open the box as is shown in one of your pictures, Joe.

Yes, I did take it as an attack on me and the well being of my fellow man.

It would have been far more professional of you Joe to talk to me at the training seminar with regards to any concern regarding any of the test boards or at the very least emailed me prior to the improper post.

I am glad you enjoyed the seminar and learned something, so did I.

In regards to your gifts, I do Thank You for them, as I did publicly during the meeting.

I would have posted earlier however, I too have a company or two to run, therefore my time as of late is limited to get on the board.

The harm has already been done by the original post Joe, so removal of any posts thereafter becomes mute.

I would like to re-iterate one point though. If you (Joe) had any suspision that any of the test borads were unsafe, you, in your capicity should have brought it to my or anyone's attention prior to the session, not after the fact on the message board.

Best Wishes to you and all for a Safe and Happy Holiday!
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Roy Cooke

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 3:41 PM       Post Subject:
rbrown1 wrote:
To all,

These test boards, some with a closed back and some not, have been wired incorrectly. Obviously, this has been done on purpose.

Prior to allowing anyone to go near the boards, a discussion was held with everyone in attendance regarding safety
(which you Joe participated in)

![/b]


Thanks Bob Glad it went well for you and all who attended.
Keep up the good work we all appreciate it BIG TIME .

I agree with John Bowman regarding Joe Hagerty.

( Joseph Hagarty ) Has tried this trick questioning on me more then once I bit once shame on him
Since then I refuse to bite NO SHAME ON ME .

This is really to bad as (Joseph Hagarty ) has much great information .
It has got to the point I read his post's wondering what does he meen?
( is he trying to be MEAN AGAIN )?

It takes a little while for people like me to regain their trust .

Roy Cooke sr A HAPPY NACHI Member !
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Joseph Hagarty

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 4:08 PM       Post Subject:
jbowman wrote:


Joe H.,

Thanks for your explanation.

I apologize.



Thanks John.

rcooke wrote:


I agree with John Bowman regarding Joe Hagerty.

Roy Cooke sr A HAPPY NACHI Member !



Roy:

Your apology would be acceptable as well.
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Joseph Hagarty

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 4:11 PM       Post Subject:
With regard to this post that was altered without notice:

jhagarty wrote:
!!


Anyone want to take responsibility for the Modification of my original posting and offer an Explanation as to why the modification occurred??
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bbadger
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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 4:15 PM       Post Subject:

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Why would someone keep posting to a forum if they are unhappy with the way the forum is run icon_question.gif

Kind of a puzzler. icon_confused.gif

When I had posts deleted and / or edited at certain forums I took that as a sign it was time to move on. icon_smile.gif

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Aimee Jalowsky
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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 4:27 PM       Post Subject:
bbadger wrote:
Why would someone keep posting to a forum if they are unhappy with the way the forum is run icon_question.gif

Kind of a puzzler. icon_confused.gif

When I had posts deleted and / or edited at certain forums I took that as a sign it was time to move on. icon_smile.gif



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Joseph Hagarty

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 4:38 PM       Post Subject:
bbadger wrote:
Why would someone keep posting to a forum if they are unhappy with the way the forum is run icon_question.gif

Kind of a puzzler. icon_confused.gif

When I had posts deleted and / or edited at certain forums I took that as a sign it was time to move on. icon_smile.gif


Bob:

With Membership comes Benefit.

The Modification was done in direct violation of the Posted Rules of this Bulletin Board. As such an explanation should be forthcoming.

To Non-Members (such as yourself) explanations are generally not offered.

One of the benefits of Membership is an explanation when requested.

If an explanation can not be given, that should also be stated as well.
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Joseph Hagarty

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 4:41 PM       Post Subject:
ajalowsky wrote:
bbadger wrote:
Why would someone keep posting to a forum if they are unhappy with the way the forum is run icon_question.gif

Kind of a puzzler. icon_confused.gif

When I had posts deleted and / or edited at certain forums I took that as a sign it was time to move on. icon_smile.gif



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I respectfully request a Full Explanation of your agreement with this comment.
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bbadger
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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 4:52 PM       Post Subject:

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jhagarty wrote:
Bob:

With Membership comes Benefit.


Well I all see is you complaining and whining. icon_rolleyes.gif

In my unsolicited opinion only a fool pays for a membership of an organization that they detest. icon_razz.gif

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Joseph Hagarty

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 5:02 PM       Post Subject:
bbadger wrote:


In my unsolicited opinion only a fool pays for a membership...



Is that why you have not joined NACHI?
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bbadger
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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 5:37 PM       Post Subject:

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jhagarty wrote:

Is that why you have not joined NACHI?


A more likely reason I have not joined NACHI is that I am not, nor intend to become a home inspector, I am happy in my present career as an electrician.

I live in MA and becoming an HI in MA takes a major commitment that at this point in my life I am not prepared to undertake.

I 'hang' at NACHI as I think HIs provide a valuable service and I think I can help them with the electrical portion of that.

I also learn things about other trades and practices while I am here. icon_cool.gif

I have no interest in becoming anything more than a helpful guest at NACHI. icon_smile.gif

I trust that answers your question.


Bob

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Roy Cooke

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 5:57 PM       Post Subject:
bbadger wrote:



A more likely reason I have not joined NACHI is that I am not, nor intend to become a home inspector, I am happy in my present career as an electrician.

I live in MA and becoming an HI in MA takes a major commitment that at this point in my life I am not prepared to undertake.

I have no interest in becoming anything more than a helpful guest at NACHI. icon_smile.gif

I trust that answers your question.


Bob


Glad to have your help I am a retired sparky and I still learn about different things.
Please continue we all can learn and do learn from each other.

Roy Cooke sr A HAPPY NACHI Member
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Kevin Williams

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 6:32 PM       Post Subject:
we all can learn and do learn from each other.

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Ben Kelly

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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 7:21 PM       Post Subject:
rbrown1 wrote:
To all,

These test boards, some with a closed back and some not, have been wired incorrectly. Obviously, this has been done on purpose.

Prior to allowing anyone to go near the boards, a discussion was held with everyone in attendance regarding safety (which you Joe participated in) and how home inspectors should conduct themselves during an inspection. This was directly related to electrical safety.

A statement regarding the booklets was also directed to everyone who attended. It was suggested that everyone who received a booklet, to check the NEC as well as their local codes etc., for any differences, and to update the booklets as necessary.

Yes, the larger test board was connected to an extension cord however, I do not believe this to be a problem as the board was set up for testing purposes only. It was not built to accomodate any device (which consumes power) to be plugged into any outlet on this board. Therefore, the board itself is safe.

Attendees were also asked not to open the A.C. box as wires in there were live and therefore that box should have been left alone.

Obviously, even with instructions, someone did open the box as is shown in one of your pictures, Joe.

Yes, I did take it as an attack on me and the well being of my fellow man.

It would have been far more professional of you Joe to talk to me at the training seminar with regards to any concern regarding any of the test boards or at the very least emailed me prior to the improper post.

I am glad you enjoyed the seminar and learned something, so did I.

In regards to your gifts, I do Thank You for them, as I did publicly during the meeting.

I would have posted earlier however, I too have a company or two to run, therefore my time as of late is limited to get on the board.

The harm has already been done by the original post Joe, so removal of any posts thereafter becomes mute.

I would like to re-iterate one point though. If you (Joe) had any suspision that any of the test borads were unsafe, you, in your capicity should have brought it to my or anyone's attention prior to the session, not after the fact on the message board.

Best Wishes to you and all for a Safe and Happy Holiday!



Well, there we have it. Did it have a built in gfi or other protection into the board. Just wondering now that the can is open.
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Aimee Jalowsky
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Posted: Dec 8, 2005 7:23 PM       Post Subject:
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Why would someone keep posting to a forum if they are unhappy with the way the forum is run

Kind of a puzzler.


This makes perfect sense to me. If you are not satisfied with the postings in a forum, you have every right not to visit the thread, correct?

Quote:
When I had posts deleted and / or edited at certain forums I took that as a sign it was time to move on. icon_smile.gif


Actually, no one knows who deleted your posts, Joe H. I am just as befuddled as you are. Mr. Tedesco's posts have been edited due to the fact in his suspension from NACHI it clearly states he is NOT to post on the message board at any time dating one calendar year from his suspension.
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