Garage Door Safety...No Reverse...Advice Please

I performed an inspection about 2 weeks ago where I discovered the garage door did not reverse. It was an older opener and there were no electric eyes part of the original installation. I reported the door as a defect because there was no reverse system in operation.

About a week later, I received a call from the Buyers Agent asking me to clarify the door. I told him about and e-mailed him the section of the Wisconsin Standards of Practice that requires and Inspector shall observe and describe the condition of the following:
RL 134.03.5.4 Garage door operators, including whether any garage door operator automatically reverses or stops when meeting reasonable resistance during closing.
He asked how much it would cost to fix something like this and I told him I didn’t know, but a whole new opener is only $150 at a big box store.

I talked with this agent today and I asked him about this situation and he told me it turned into a real pain in the *ss. He then asked me if I inspected homes for what they are or what they should be. I told him that if there is a device that is safety related (eg. GFCI that doesn’t externally trip or garage doors that don’t reverse) installed and not working it is a safety defect.

He mentioned that there are other inspectors in this area that would not have noted this as a defect.

How you you report this non-reversing or stopping garage door???

Like you did, older doors are not safe and my finidngs are a remendation only. How the parties negotiate the deal is not my problem. You did good.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission recommends that garage door operators manufactured or imported after January 1,1993, for sale in the United States be outfitted with an external entrapment protection system. This system can be an electric eye, a door edge sensor, or any other device that provides equivalent protection. This provides protection from damage and offers child safety.

If an electric eye is installed, it should be a height of 4 to 6 inches above the floor.
This location can be a factor in preventing injury or worse to a small child.
External entrapment protection system should include a reverse contact mechanism.

http://www.ohdstl.com/safety.html
**http://www.dasma.com/safetygdmaint.asp **

Even if the door is older than 1993, the safety factor in such an appliance is still effective today.

I’d take out the word defect and put in “recommend safety reverse divice be added to opener system to ensure safe operation” I’m finding out that the word dect is a very bad word to use, unless it is truely a defect, then that labels us as a professional for that type of item??? I was taught this, maybe wrong but I see their point.???

I don’t disagree that the word DEFECT is not a great word. I use it because that word is used in the Offer to Purchase contract and I wish to be consistent.

the Wisconsin SOP states to either:
Describes the condition of any item identified that, if not repaired, will have a significant adverse effect on the life expectancy of the identified item
or
Lists any material adverse facts that a home inspector has knowlege of or has observed.
What is a true defect? Just because something is broken doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a defect.

The garage doors openers on my current residence are at least 30 years old and have the reversing function when resistance is encountered. Some people turn the adjusting screw too far one way to avoid nuisance tripping or because they were never set up correctly in the first place. It’s an easy adjustment in most cases.

That guys an idiot…must be related to the guy who called today…

“$450.00 wow, thats alot, I know another guy who does it for $350.00.” and I told him “Well that may be true, but I tend to deal with people that actually do higher end houses”…(silence)…uh, oh, well thanks alot.

I wanted to reach through the phone and choke him.:twisted:

I’m feeling better now though.

Mic

Realtors get very nervous in WI when the word “defect” is used. It’s a defined term in a WI realestate purchase agreement.

I stopped using the term “minor defect” as it often caused confusion. I now use “deferred maintenance” or some other less inflammatory term to indicate items that do not significantly effect the properties value but are deficient in some sense.

"DEFECT" DEFINED: (from WI approved PA)
For the purposes of this contingency, a defect is defined as
that would have a significant adverse effect on the value of the Property; that would significantly occupants of the Property; or that if not repaired, removed or replaced would significantly effect on the expected normal life of the Property.
Defects do not include structural, mechanical extent of which Buyer had actual knowledge or written notice before signing this Offer.

As Greg stated WI HIs are required to report “material adverse facts”

Glossary Terms(From WI HI law)**
RL 131.02 Definition. As used in RL 134
(17) “Material adverse fact” means a condition or occurrence that is generally recognized by a competent home inspector as doing any of the following:
(a) Significantly reducing the functionality or structural integrity of components or systems of the improvements to property being inspected.
(b) Posing a significant health or safety risk to occupants of the improvements.
**

“Issues of concern”…

“Conditions for your consideration”…

…but never say “defect”…

…or “marginal”…I saw that on somebody’s check list once…

What the heck does “marginal” mean, and how does one determine it to be so??

Quoted from the Wisconsin offer to purchase (WB-11)
“DEFECT” DEFINED: For the purposes of this contingency, a defect is defined as a structural, mechanical or other condition that would have a significant adverse effect on the value of the Property; that would significantly impair the health or safety of future occupants of the Property; or that if not repaired, removed or replaced would significantly shorten or have a significant adverse effect on the expected normal life of the Property

I use the following classifications in my reports:

  • Acceptable–Functional with no obvious signs of defect.
  • Not Present–Item not present or not found.
  • Not Inspected–Item was unable to be inspected for safety reasons or due to lack of power, inaccessible, or disconnected at time of inspection.
  • Maintenance Item–Item was functional at the time of inspection and/or requires normal maintenance. The Item should be addressed in the future as a part of normal home ownership.
    *]Defect–A condition that would have a significant adverse effect on the value of the Property; that would significantly impair the health or safety of future occupants of the Property; or that if not repaired, removed, or replaced would significantly shorten or have significant adverse effect on the expected normal life of the Property.
    My thought process was, if there was a child (or anyone else) that could get seriously injured by the garage door not reversing that would be significant safety issue.

I didn’t see this post until I just posted mine. IMO, the Realtors get nervous with **Defects **is because that is the only way the buyers (our typical clients) have to address any undisclosed issues that may have been discovered during the home inspection.

Exactly. I like your classifications, of course they are similar to mine.:slight_smile:

http://www.dasma.com/default.asp

As odd as it may sound…

I think " the reverse feature is defective"

Sounds better than…

Defect: Garage door reverse feature.

…or the garage door safety reverse is not operating. :wink:

On an older garage door, there may be no “reverse feature”–it was not required before 1993. Would that make the door “defective”?

It’s not defective (and most issues aren’t), but it is a **safety concern **(as most issues are).

A defect can be defined as " not working as intended". An older door is “working as intended” and, therefore, not a defect. It is, however, a safety concern.

Do you include a summary in your report? If so, would this item be included and under what type of listing? I’m just curious and trying to learn.

Jae, I believe the change in 1993 was to require “external” detectors as in break beam devices mounted in the path of the closing door to prevent someone or something in the path from being injured by a closing door. I think the reversing feature has been a part of residential door openers for a very long time.

CSPC info:
CPSC cautions consumers that not all devices that open and close the garage door are necessarily safe. Some old openers are equipped with a mechanism that only stops the closing door when it strikes an object, not reversing the door in the process. **Other pre-1982 openers have a device intended to reverse the closing door when it strikes an object, but for reasons related to age, installation and maintenance, these products may not be safe enough to pre-vent entrapment of a child. **These openers cannot be adjusted or repaired to provide the automatic reversing feature found on later devices.

** The CPSC requires that all garage door operators manufactured or imported after January 1, 1993, for sale in the United States be outfitted with an external entrapment protection system.**This system can be an electric eye, a door edge sensor, or any other device that provides equivalent protection. If an electric eye is used, it should be installed at a height of 4 to 6 inches above the floor.

(and Ilove this part)ML

Consumers should inspect garage doors and operation of the door opener every 30 days to verify that the system is functioning properly. Hardware and fittings should be checked to keep the door on track at all times. Should a hazard exist, homeowners should disconnect the automatic opener from the door as specified in the owner’s manual, and manually open and close the garage door until needed repair/ replacement is completed.


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Jae, go check your garage door immediately!:-)**

I include a summary…however I don’t break the summary down into different listings. I use different colors of text which I explain at the beginning of my report.

For instance

I use Blue for Safety Items
I use Red for something that needs immediate attention

I have a separate Maintenance summary for clogged gutters other deferred maintenance items that could lead to bigger problems…such as today there was an arbor attached to the house, no flashing, no caulking on the top of the ledgerboard…potential for water intrusion…that goes in maintenance summary and I verbally tell the client to get up there and do something after he moves in.

The garage door would go in my standard summary in red font.

What my client and their realtor do with that information is not up to me…if they want to kill the deal over it…then so be it. A good realtor will know how to handle this one…and it shouldn’t be glossed over by the realtor, in my opinion…most of them have kids…and I ask what they would do if the door was at their home. Those doors are heavy.

Interesting. I use Blue for Maintenance items (deferred maintenance, etc) and Red for Defects. There are sparate summaries for each at the end of my report.

Wisconsin appears to be unique. The way I understand it, if an item is not listed specifically using the word “Defect”, then there is no recourse for the Buyer, period.