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Old 6/19/07, 11:26 AM
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Lowly guys that will not drink the nacho kook aid like me cannot post on the other BB section.
Why do you think Nick posts lies and false info about other orgs.where others cannot respond...

Members are required to pay 90.00 more..
From what I read, The truth is, ASHI was paying ins for the chapters, [nowhere do I see members are required to pay 90.00] for years, in AZ that amounts to less than 1.00 per chapter member, does nick pay your chapter ins., or better yet, does your chapter even have ins to protect the assets of members that volunteer to better org, for free?

Members work for free?
I believe members of all orgs work for free in many capacities to better our profession..
Does your org tell you to charge local org expenses on your credit card and the org will reimberse you.
Does your org reimburse you for any agreed expenses you, the volunteer may occur, or are there excuses, less that agreed reimbursement payed, when the time comes for your org to pay up committed reimbursements. leaving that member with unpayed , by your org expenses to pay on their own ??

Paid employees are part of any business or large professional org.
Creating a budget and spending according to $s coming in is a part of business.
Balancing the budget, and adjusting as needed is smart business..
Do you have a say where your dues go.. do you have a clue if your org has any $s at all..
Do you know the budget $s for your org for the next year??

Does your org have full time employee's committed to promoting your org in a professional manner, do you have a say on how they represent you, the dues paying member? ....

Can, or will the paid employees of your org give you an honest answer on how many members your org has, can your contact the treasure of your at any given time to find out where your org stands financially ??

Does your org give your chapter $s from new members dues, to help the new inspector use towards their local chapter dues?

Does your local org chapter offer free mentoring, from local inspectors to all new inspectors, just for the asking???

Does your org, and volunteers, or org paid employees promote you, the inspector, in a professional manner to the consumer, or does your org promote your orgs. owner interests over the dues paying members??


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Old 6/19/07, 11:29 AM
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Poor Dan!

More lies

"why do you think Nick posts lies and false info about other orgs.where others cannot respond... "

See This
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Old 6/19/07, 11:34 AM
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Poor Dan!

More lies

"why do you think Nick posts lies and false info about other orgs.where others cannot respond... "

See This
If you want the TRUTH check out the article on the inspectorsjournal ..
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Old 6/19/07, 11:38 AM
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If you want the TRUTH check out the article on the inspectorsjournal ..
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Old 6/19/07, 11:47 AM
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Ohhh. dang it.. I forgot a couple major items..
Does your org owner promise member benefits, just to get more members/#s and never deliver, or make excuses why the benefit cannot be delivered after you joined/ payed your $s ???

Are you as an experienced inspector, that made the commimentent to better your self in our profession, forced to compete with other "certified" inspectors that, may be long gone, and are still listed as a "certified" inspector on your inspector locator site , or that inspectors, only qualificiations may be taking an on line quiz.??

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Old 6/19/07, 12:12 PM
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Dan the Man asked...

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Members work for free?
I believe members of all orgs work for free in many capacities to better our profession..
Some do work for free by serving on committees, others are paid employees who are administrators, secretaries, et cetera. Some are given an honourarium for their services.

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Does your org tell you to charge local org expenses on your credit card and the org will reimberse you.
Don't know but I would imagine at some point either a director or committee chair might have to pay for something on behalf of the association. In most cases it would be cash or the members credit card.

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Does your org reimburse you for any agreed expenses you, the volunteer may occur, or are there excuses, less that agreed reimbursement payed, when the time comes for your org to pay up committed reimbursements. leaving that member with unpayed , by your org expenses to pay on their own ??
Yes.

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Paid employees are part of any business or large professional org.
Creating a budget and spending according to $s coming in is a part of business.
Balancing the budget, and adjusting as needed is smart business..
Do you have a say where your dues go.. do you have a clue if your org has any $s at all..
NO!
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Do you know the budget $s for your org for the next year??
No not really, only because we know renvenues are down and membership is down, but revenues are shown as being higher.

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Does your org have full time employee's committed to promoting your org in a professional manner, do you have a say on how they represent you, the dues paying member? ....
Yes, but we have not seen any fruits of the labour. As to represent me, no they do not represent me because they can't represent themselves. Apathetic membership, abuse of proxies et ceteras.

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Can, or will the paid employees of your org give you an honest answer on how many members your org has, can your contact the treasure of your at any given time to find out where your org stands financially ??
That would have to be a NO!

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Does your org give your chapter $s from new members dues, to help the new inspector use towards their local chapter dues?
No

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Does your local org chapter offer free mentoring, from local inspectors to all new inspectors, just for the asking???
Depends. Most I know charge a fee for the privilege.

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Does your org, and volunteers, or org paid employees promote you, the inspector, in a professional manner to the consumer, or does your org promote your orgs. owner interests over the dues paying members??
They promote the organization.

And I am not talking about NACHI!

So now how do you respond?
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Old 6/19/07, 1:24 PM
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Do other associations give free speech to all or do they censor you and do everything in secret.?
What does a CE class cost at ASSY?
Why do their members come here to learn more about the inspection profession?
Why are their members so obsessed with the workings of another association?
Why do they sell their souls to agents for a couple bucks?
Where does all the ASSY money go?
Is it true they are so afraid of real competition that they will not allow members paying dues to call them selves members till they carry some other guys jock strap for 250 inspections while the bitter guy trys to talk them out of going into business.
Is it true ASSY is getting desprate over their shrinking membership.
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Do other associations give free speech to all or do they censor you and do everything in secret.?
What does a CE class cost at ASSY?
Why do their members come here to learn more about the inspection profession?
Why are their members so obsessed with the workings of another association?
Why do they sell their souls to agents for a couple bucks?
Where does all the ASSY money go?
Is it true they are so afraid of real competition that they will not allow members paying dues to call them selves members till they carry some other guys jock strap for 250 inspections while the bitter guy trys to talk them out of going into business.
Is it true ASSY is getting desprate over their shrinking membership.
Looks like you're about to be put in a bad mood again, Bob. Better grab the Glen' 18, a tumbler, and a bucket of ice 'cause it looks like it's going to be a long night for you!

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Old 6/19/07, 5:21 PM
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ASHI members themselves were never asked to pay a penny extra, nor have dues increased to cover an extra expense.
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Old 6/19/07, 5:25 PM
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ASHI members themselves were never asked to pay a penny extra, nor have dues increased to cover an extra expense.
Nope...but they were advised to expect a reduction in benefits and activities.
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And I am not talking about NACHI!

So now how do you respond?
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I assume your talking about ASHI in Canada.
If so... Some people ***** and moan and expect every body else to do the work it takes to make an org succeed...
Some people after 50 or 60 even 70 years still believe in Santa Clause
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Old 6/19/07, 10:30 PM
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I assume your talking about ASHI in Canada.
If so... Some people ***** and moan and expect every body else to do the work it takes to make an org succeed...
Some people after 50 or 60 even 70 years still believe in Santa Clause
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Old 6/19/07, 10:43 PM
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No Dan I am not talking about ASHI in Canada, keep guessing.

Put another way ASHI is well managed and actually appears to do more for its members, but the association I am referring to comes up short repeatedly and has for years.

Can you guess which association?

I know David knows, and others know.
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Old 6/19/07, 11:22 PM
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No Dan I am not talking about ASHI in Canada, keep guessing.

Put another way ASHI is well managed and actually appears to do more for its members, but the association I am referring to comes up short repeatedly and has for years.

Can you guess which association?

I know David knows, and others know.
Honestly I don't know. Glad it's not ashi
I recall you and cookie talking about another org. on the Ca section about a Canadian org. never paid that much attention to the name..
If your a nacho and an ashi guy.. how many masters can you serve?
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Old 6/20/07, 7:43 AM
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ASHI members themselves were never asked to pay a penny extra, nor have dues increased to cover an extra expense.
Actually, members were asked to pay extra for ASHI's branding campaign. And not even asked in a nice way, at that. Members were told that they would pay extra for branding, basically increasing their dues for that year. When half the membership dropped out because they refused to pay extra for branding, dues were subsequently increased the next year but the branding campaign was dropped. I was one who dropped out at that time, although the required payment for branding was only one of many reasons. The next year they asked me back, and although they asked me back with a nice invitation at 50% of the cost of new members, I did note that the dues had increased sufficiently so that 50% of the cost of new members was exactly what I had paid for my first year membership. Hmmmmmmm. When I joined ASHI in October 2001, they claimed to have 6,400 members. Sccott Patterson, a big ASHI guy, said over on inspectionnews.com that membership dropped as low as 3,200 members, and according to ASHI members back in December 2006, membership was up to something like 3,600.



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