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Old 5/2/13, 2:02 PM
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With most buyers having to put down 10-20% earnest money if they just walk they lose that money.
Not if they had their stuff together...

Buy a crap house with a crap contract and find yourself in the "crap".



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Old 5/2/13, 3:37 PM
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I had a phone call from a lady last week, she didn't say where she was, who was involved with a lawsuit with her HOA for allowing KB to come into their neighborhood. She kept saying that the houses were being built without any nails. After a few minutes of conversation I figured out she was concerned about there being no nails in the roof trusses, she had NO knowledge of engineered roof trusses.
When we finally got to the crux of the issue her and her friends were mad because they had all payed well over 1 million dollars for their homes and now KB was coming in and putting up these "little" "shoddy" 3000 plus sq/ft homes that were ONLY selling for just over 300K. Yeah I laughed as well....
Is this a part of the same group??



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Old 5/2/13, 4:29 PM
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Not if they had their stuff together...

Buy a crap house with a crap contract and find yourself in the "crap".
"If, If, If". If grandma had nuts she would be grandpa. How many young couples get taken to the cleaners when they buy their first home. "If" they had their "crap together" they probably would not even need a Home inspector. It is easy to find fault with the buyers but the truth is, there are many unscrupulous builders, not just in FL, but around the entire country and they take advantage of unlearned, inexperienced buyers. It does not help when the inspectors who are supposed to represent the county and protect the consumer are either incompetent, dishonest or both.

If they really had their crap together they would hire their own lawyer to go over any contract or have them draw up their own and put the builder in a position of if they chose to walk they pay nothing and the builder eats the loss but most people never think to do that. I have worked for few clients who did just that. They told the builder and their Real Estate professional they could stick their standard contract up where the sun don't shine and if they wanted to build a custom home for them they would sign "their contract" with all the penalties, etc.






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Old 5/2/13, 4:50 PM
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I had a phone call from a lady last week, she didn't say where she was, who was involved with a lawsuit with her HOA for allowing KB to come into their neighborhood. She kept saying that the houses were being built without any nails. After a few minutes of conversation I figured out she was concerned about there being no nails in the roof trusses, she had NO knowledge of engineered roof trusses.
When we finally got to the crux of the issue her and her friends were mad because they had all payed well over 1 million dollars for their homes and now KB was coming in and putting up these "little" "shoddy" 3000 plus sq/ft homes that were ONLY selling for just over 300K. Yeah I laughed as well....
Is this a part of the same group??
LOL, no... ours is a real situation but they did do the typical build the nice houses first and sell cheaper homes later to devalue the community. Our homes really are missing nails in some instances. Should go check out my website and watch the videos, you won't be making pokes at us anymore.
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Old 5/2/13, 4:54 PM
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"If, If, If". If grandma had nuts she would be grandpa. How many young couples get taken to the cleaners when they buy their first home. "If" they had their "crap together" they probably would not even need a Home inspector. It is easy to find fault with the buyers but the truth is, there are many unscrupulous builders, not just in FL, but around the entire country and they take advantage of unlearned, inexperienced buyers. It does not help when the inspectors who are supposed to represent the county and protect the consumer are either incompetent, dishonest or both.

If they really had their crap together they would hire their own lawyer to go over any contract or have them draw up their own and put the builder in a position of if they chose to walk they pay nothing and the builder eats the loss but most people never think to do that. I have worked for few clients who did just that. They told the builder and their Real Estate professional they could stick their standard contract up where the sun don't shine and if they wanted to build a custom home for them they would sign "their contract" with all the penalties, etc.
The issue is KB Home silences the vocal ones by buying them out and hitting then with a NDA. In our instance they sold us homes knowing of defects without disclosing them.


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Old 5/2/13, 5:52 PM
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Oh I do not doubt your story at all. I have seen for myself and have first hand knowledge of a large builder here who did and does the exact same thing. It is like they never learn to NOT cut corners and when it bites them in their arse they buy out those who are not afraid to speak up. The "good ole boy" network is alive and thrive in FL, always has and most likely always will. Money talks and BS walks.





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Old 5/2/13, 9:20 PM
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It also looks like the mega-builders, such as KB, are shutting-out the little guy and taking control of the home building boom in Florida.

National subdivision developers and builders such as Pulte Homes, Ryland Homes, Ashton Woods Homes, KB Homes, Taylor Morrison and M/I Homes have all found funds to cherry pick the superior pieces of residential land in the local market, while the few small home builders in the region who survived the downturn can only watch as the prime spots are taken.


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Old 5/2/13, 9:34 PM
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I had a phone call from a lady last week, she didn't say where she was, who was involved with a lawsuit with her HOA for allowing KB to come into their neighborhood. She kept saying that the houses were being built without any nails. After a few minutes of conversation I figured out she was concerned about there being no nails in the roof trusses, she had NO knowledge of engineered roof trusses.
When we finally got to the crux of the issue her and her friends were mad because they had all payed well over 1 million dollars for their homes and now KB was coming in and putting up these "little" "shoddy" 3000 plus sq/ft homes that were ONLY selling for just over 300K. Yeah I laughed as well....
Is this a part of the same group??
More Problems for KB Home in other states, Texas buybacks
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Old 5/3/13, 12:26 AM
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A lot of these houses are frame with no moisture barrier, some have moisture barrier incorrctly installed. Many have EIFS etc. The walls are full of mold and rotting. Some houses are unlivable, due to mold etc. This subdivision unfortunately will continue to self destruct through no fault of the owners. It will be too costly to tear down and rebulid. Insurance in most cases is not paying becaust they don't cover builders defects. It's a huge mess.



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Old 5/3/13, 3:47 AM
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Where are the ethics here???

I worked for a large builder for many years, working from a ditch monkey up to pre-delivery inspector at the end. The site manager had a 3 strikes you're out rule---per house. Simply put, if you make 3 errors on one house, you're done. I saw many sub-contractors come and go. But, the quality was impeccable. If I ever get the chance to build my own home, I'm going to call them. The houses were beautiful. It's seems as though Florida builders need a swift kick in the a s s. What a damn shame.

I'm sorry for what you are all going through. I truly hope you can all emerge victorious and move on with your lives.

Best of luck,
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Old 5/3/13, 4:32 AM
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Where are the ethics here???

I worked for a large builder for many years, working from a ditch monkey up to pre-delivery inspector at the end. The site manager had a 3 strikes you're out rule---per house. Simply put, if you make 3 errors on one house, you're done. I saw many sub-contractors come and go. But, the quality was impeccable. If I ever get the chance to build my own home, I'm going to call them. The houses were beautiful. It's seems as though Florida builders need a swift kick in the a s s. What a damn shame.

I'm sorry for what you are all going through. I truly hope you can all emerge victorious and move on with your lives.

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Old 5/3/13, 8:48 AM
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Where are the ethics here???

I worked for a large builder for many years, working from a ditch monkey up to pre-delivery inspector at the end. The site manager had a 3 strikes you're out rule---per house. Simply put, if you make 3 errors on one house, you're done. I saw many sub-contractors come and go. But, the quality was impeccable. If I ever get the chance to build my own home, I'm going to call them. The houses were beautiful. It's seems as though Florida builders need a swift kick in the a s s. What a damn shame.

I'm sorry for what you are all going through. I truly hope you can all emerge victorious and move on with your lives.

Best of luck,
The 3 strikes system would be great. So our homes have leaks and they (the hoa) gave away our 10 year warranty from KB Home if KB Home is willing to pick-up the bill for DueAll Constructions work whom provides a 2 year warranty. They are trying to reuse some of the Windows which has us really worried that the places will leak and fail again. DueAll Construction from what I understand lacks the experience for a multi-million dollar job the size of Willowbrook. (Matter of opinion)

Are there any tests that I could recommend to test to see if the Windows and sliding doors are water tight?

I am going to add a link to this website on http://thekbhome.com

Willowbrook has attacted much attention within the media and it would be nice to get the word out about what you guys do and how the building industry shafts you guys and homeowners and what to watch out for.

We could keep your identity anonymous if you would like or you can use it to get the word out about nachi.

Please let me know if anyone wants to be a part of it. I have learned so much here and want this information to get out to the homeowners. When we bought our home KB Home was rated #1 and you couldn't find the dirt on them. It would have been there but you would have really had to do a lot of digging to find it.

Times have changed with my website as I have spent the last year of my life digging for the truth and making it easily available for the word to see. Google KB Home and you will see my website right under theirs on the first page of google.

The information here is what first time homebuyers need to see and that is what KB Home targets.
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Old 5/3/13, 9:01 AM
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Florida inspection licensing is a total joke. Worse than that, it will eventually kill someone.

No offense to the honest GCs in Florida, but there is simply NO WAY that any of you should wear two hats, and there is NO WAY any of you should be permitted to work on anything you inspect.

Your state's Attorney General can perform an investigation and bring charges against these municipal inspectors. Follow the money.

Florida can pass a law prohibiting builders from not allowing independent inspectors on the property. It's already illegal in many states (i think 35 at last count).



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Old 5/3/13, 9:05 AM
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Pam Bondi, what a joke. We have reached out to her more times that you can imagine and she ignores us. I had another politician tell me that its like due to her boss. Rick Scott? This stuff is so crazy that it makes you feel like a conspiracy theorist.
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Old 5/3/13, 11:06 AM
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I was hired by a prospective home buyer to do phase inspections on a KB home. KB would not let me! The buyer backed out!
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