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Old 2/8/15, 9:58 PM
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Purchase of a Franchise is a Guarantee that you will sell several Thousands of Bottles at a Convenience Store.
Maybe that's why I chose HomeTeam instead of Housemaster....

The only guarantee that I made to them was that I was Russel Ray Kirk (they did want a copy of my driver's license and social security number.

I did make a couple of promises in that I would pay them 6% of my income as royalty and that, if 6% of my income ever fell below $25 monthly, then I would pay them a minimum $25 monthly.

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Most Franchises are not awarded / considered / given upon the indigent...
Maybe Home Team is different...
Indeed they are not. One has to buy a franchise and the last time I checked, the indigent didn't have enough money in a savings or checking account to buy a franchise. I had to pay $17,500 for my franchise. No, I was not indigent, but I didn't have to prove to anyone that I had more than $17,500.



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Old 2/9/15, 8:01 AM
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I wasn't aware of that. The whole bonus to a franchise was their established business and connections with agencies as far as what they claim. Thanks!
That is somewhat true, but they do not have all of the contacts that they say they have. Realtors are independent contractors and do not have to subscribe to whatever the mothership says. Keep in mind the marketing is corporate based, not free. There is very little room for creativity with the franchise model unless your ideas are run up the corporate flag pole and approved.

The other thing is 30k falls a little short of what most of the bigger, better known franchises want to get going. You could buy out someone's established territory for that, but that's a roll of the dice also.
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Old 2/9/15, 9:25 AM
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That is somewhat true, but they do not have all of the contacts that they say they have. Realtors are independent contractors and do not have to subscribe to whatever the mothership says. Keep in mind the marketing is corporate based, not free. There is very little room for creativity with the franchise model unless your ideas are run up the corporate flag pole and approved.

The other thing is 30k falls a little short of what most of the bigger, better known franchises want to get going. You could buy out someone's established territory for that, but that's a roll of the dice also.
Realtors are only independent contractors for the purposes of tax law. Realtors who work with brokerages such as Century 21, RE/MAX, etc., actually do have to subscribe to much of what the mothership says. That's because, just like home inspections, there is a lot of liability involved, and since they have an established model, protocols, etc., based on law, yes, should you sign on, you need to follow the mothership.

It's the same with all of the home inspection franchises that I checked out in 2001. I was a franchisee but an independent contractor for purposes of tax law. Never did HomeTeam send me a W-4 to complete or a W-2 by the end of January each year. Never in any way was I an employee of HomeTeam. Thus, I was free to do whatever I thought would make me successful.

Getting approval for doing marketing was extremely easy with HomeTeam. They had no problem with creativity. All they were looking for was proper use of registered and trademarked items. So, although I have used "HomeTeam" here, I could not answer the phone "HomeTeam. How may I help you." The trademarked name is The HomeTeam Inspection Service, and that's printed materials needed to say, and what I needed to say when speaking of the company.



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Old 2/9/15, 9:41 AM
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The other thing is 30k falls a little short of what most of the bigger, better known franchises want to get going.
Actually, no.

Here are the current numbers:

Housemaster - $42,500
HomeTeam - $19,900 to $39,900
Pillar to Post - $16,900
Brickkicker - $7,500-$25,000
AmeriSpec - $26,900-$36,900

The ones with a range usually let you buy a certain size territory, either by population or by "owner occupied homes."



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Old 2/9/15, 9:32 PM
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Actually, no.

Here are the current numbers:

Housemaster - $42,500
HomeTeam - $19,900 to $39,900
Pillar to Post - $16,900
Brickkicker - $7,500-$25,000
AmeriSpec - $26,900-$36,900

The ones with a range usually let you buy a certain size territory, either by population or by "owner occupied homes."
Russell, your numbers are a little off with Housemaster. I am actually part of the organization as the Director of NIBI, their training provider.
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Old 2/9/15, 9:37 PM
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Realtors are only independent contractors for the purposes of tax law. Realtors who work with brokerages such as Century 21, RE/MAX, etc., actually do have to subscribe to much of what the mothership says. That's because, just like home inspections, there is a lot of liability involved, and since they have an established model, protocols, etc., based on law, yes, should you sign on, you need to follow the mothership.

It's the same with all of the home inspection franchises that I checked out in 2001. I was a franchisee but an independent contractor for purposes of tax law. Never did HomeTeam send me a W-4 to complete or a W-2 by the end of January each year. Never in any way was I an employee of HomeTeam. Thus, I was free to do whatever I thought would make me successful.

Getting approval for doing marketing was extremely easy with HomeTeam. They had no problem with creativity. All they were looking for was proper use of registered and trademarked items. So, although I have used "HomeTeam" here, I could not answer the phone "HomeTeam. How may I help you." The trademarked name is The HomeTeam Inspection Service, and that's printed materials needed to say, and what I needed to say when speaking of the company.
With all due respect, I think things may have changed a little since 2001, or even 2007-08 when you left HomeTeam.
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Old 2/9/15, 10:18 PM
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Russell, your numbers are a little off with Housemaster. I am actually part of the organization as the Director of NIBI, their training provider.
Maybe they should update their web site then?



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Old 2/9/15, 10:20 PM
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With all due respect, I think things may have changed a little since 2001, or even 2007-08 when you left HomeTeam.
It's a distinct possibility, which is why I keep putting the date in there.

However, Joseph bought his Housemaster franchise before I bought my HomeTeam franchise, so he's probably out of date, too.

Overall, though, I bet it's all relatively the same. There's no need to mess with success.



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Old 2/10/15, 12:26 AM
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Russell, your numbers are a little off with Housemaster. I am actually part of the organization as the Director of NIBI, their training provider.
James,
Since you have now quoted yourself....
To forwardly misrepresent Yourself as a Member while Representative of the Housemaster (NIBI) Organization.....

I was suspect... Thank You for the Confirmation....



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That is somewhat true, but they do not have all of the contacts that they say they have. Realtors are independent contractors and do not have to subscribe to whatever the mothership says. Keep in mind the marketing is corporate based, not free. There is very little room for creativity with the franchise model unless your ideas are run up the corporate flag pole and approved.

The other thing is 30k falls a little short of what most of the bigger, better known franchises want to get going. You could buy out someone's established territory for that, but that's a roll of the dice also.
Amazing Post...
I have captured this since you have now posted your Corporate Position.

Thank You...
(You are aware that you are posting in an open forum)



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Old 2/10/15, 2:30 AM
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Most inspectors are happy with their franchise. Pillar to Post is probably the exception. A lot of complaints about P2P taking 7% off the top plus another 4% for outdated marketing. That's 11% off the top of gross. Hope you aren't on a 20% profit margin, because that would mean P2P is taking most of your profits.
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Old 2/10/15, 7:32 AM
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Amazing Post...
I have captured this since you have now posted your Corporate Position.

Thank You...
(You are aware that you are posting in an open forum)
Oh Joe you got me! hahaha! Why don't you post about your reputation with the same organization so I can save that! I don't think you will since we are in a public forum.
Btw, what is my corporate title? I am so excited, I can't wait to hear.
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Old 2/10/15, 7:37 AM
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James,
Everyone here knows that I was previously affiliated with HouseMaster.
No secret there.



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Old 2/10/15, 7:59 AM
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James,
Everyone here knows that I was previously affiliated with HouseMaster.
No secret there.
Just like I thought. Balls shrink when it comes to talking about yourself. They grow to mammoth size when talking about someone else.
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Old 2/10/15, 8:28 AM
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Just like I thought. Balls shrink when it comes to talking about yourself. They grow to mammoth size when talking about someone else.
If you think you know something... post it



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