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Old 5/14/13, 1:17 PM
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When I first read it...My opinion is, today, that I am for it.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know you are for it but in my initial question I was asking your opinion on how it would be applied.

When would a vendor be required to provide that disclosure: If he gives a discount and the inspector voluntarily provides a positive review of his own free will or if he gives a discount with the request/expectation that the inspector give a positive review?



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Old 5/14/13, 1:20 PM
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Disclosure: I have never received compensation of any type for any positive comments about vendors products I have made.
Ditto.



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Old 5/14/13, 1:29 PM
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know you are for it but in my initial question I was asking your opinion on how it would be applied.

When would a vendor be required to provide that disclosure: If he gives a discount and the inspector voluntarily provides a positive review of his own free will or if he gives a discount with the request/expectation that the inspector give a positive review?
I think that ... when he creates a special forum for vendors to use for the promotion of their products (and, in some cases, gimmicks) he can create a thread that sticks at the top of the forum for each vendor to maintain as to whom he has compensated for promoting their products.

If inspectors are looking for a vendor to buy a widget from and a vendor wants to give him a free widget or a discount that is not being provided to other members ... he can disclose this in that area.

Have you ever seen someone make an inquiry about a software program where a certain member (that I will not name) will jump into the thread and begin promoting a certain software by a particular vendor as being the best, and the greatest, and the easiest to use and so on and so on? The recipient of this unsolicited sales presentation can quickly go to the page where the vendor's disclosures are maintained and look for the name of the inspector promoting it. When he finds it, he knows that he is getting a paid advertisement rather than a voluntary testimonial and can weigh the provided information, accordingly.

It seems like it would be easy to do.

Will unethical vendors challenge whether it can be enforced and will unethical vendors create loopholes to circumvent it? Of course they will and they will be exposed in the process ... which is, itself, an advertisement - but not one that they would prefer to have out there in the public domain, IMO.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:30 PM
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The InterNACHI vendor shall NOT SPAM any InterNACHI Member EVER without express written permission OF THE MEMBER!!!!
Too hard to define SPAM. Instead, we'll require an opt-out.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:38 PM
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So, are there consequences for breaches of 1 through 9 and, if so, should they be footnoted?
Fixed.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:42 PM
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Perhaps you will need to word the rule in such a way to make it clear that when a vendor establishes such a relationship, he must publicly disclose it in an area where it can be referenced. Otherwise, the shill will have to precede each of his posts with his disclaimer.
That won't quite do it. Salesmen can just put it in their message board signature.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:43 PM
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I think "compensation" should be clarified to mean cash payments.
Nah, that creates another loophole.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:44 PM
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I think 8 is ridiculous. I don't want vendors I'm affiliated with disseminating any info about InterNACHI.
Agreed. It's become #9 now, and we deleted it now.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:50 PM
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Find me one other association anywhere that has a rule requiring vendors to disclose to members what other members are paying.
We're not asking that you disclose what other members are paying. We're asking that you don't pay an inspector to secretly promote your products. We just updated the language a bit. Take another look.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:52 PM
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When a vendor says his product is approved "in 46 states", he should list those states or, at a minimum, should list the states where his product is not approved.
#3 covers it without being overly onerous.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:53 PM
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Just a thought, should vendors be writing the vendors code of ethics? I don't have any problems with vendors selling their services here but when they get to make the rules it seems like the foxes guarding the chicken coop.
No vendor is writing the COE. We're happy to listen to feedback from all sources.
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Old 5/14/13, 1:58 PM
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As for the discounts ... to me, that is a business action that has little to do with ethics. If they want to drive their medicine wagons through InterNACHI, that is the price of admission. If they fail to comply, the sheriff escorts them to the city limits. It's a price for admission more than an ethical issue, IMO.
Yes, but not paying the "price for admission" is an ethics violation. It's the best place to put this.
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Old 5/14/13, 2:03 PM
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So what you are saying is that if the ESOP Special Committee reconvenes, drafts and hands down a DEMAND (not a recommendation) for a particular penalty to be carried out, you will comply and implement the penalty?
ESOP can't demand that a recommendation be implemented... otherwise it wouldn't be a recommendation.
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Old 5/14/13, 2:06 PM
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There have been many 3rd Party Relationship Participants over the last 10 years ranging from a multitude of services and I am sure that they will continue to develop into the Future.
Correct.
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Old 5/14/13, 2:08 PM
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Listen folks. Nothing has or will change.

In the end it is Nick that decides.

Without a commitment from Nick that he will actually abide by ESOP "recommended" sanctions it's all wasted mental effort.

Nothing has changed.



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