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Old 10/15/18, 8:37 PM
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You boys have fun with that. Gonna get you banned by all the agents in your town.

I am the inspector and would report this every time .


The agent is normally not a shingle inspector .
A simple Gutter and down spout insulation would save the shingle life .
Too ignore this could come back to make the inspector look bad .
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Old 10/16/18, 7:04 AM
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I Put it on reports all the time with a a example picture , never had no one complain , as far as being banned by a realtor who cares I didn't realize we where here to keep them happy it is about doing your job . Lots of Inspectors tickling realtors now days, Free lunches dropping off (special stuff), running around kissing butt is not my purposes .I do go to realtor offices from time to time to advise realtors in what we do . And yes i get well my inspector never mention this or that and is cheaper and only takes a hour . I just say well if your happy that is all that counts ,I prefer making my clients happy.



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This post is so old that it even has Russell in it.




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Old 10/16/18, 9:45 AM
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This post is so old that it even has Russell in it.
So are thinking we should not use an old string .
Some times there is great INFORMATION that new inspectors can use to increase their knowledge .
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Old 10/16/18, 10:40 AM
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and, almost always, the gutter guy comes back to extend the downspout to a lower gutter or to ground.
Curious, how in the world do you know this? Do you check up on all your inspection issues you find?




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Old 10/16/18, 7:57 PM
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Wow, I am late on this. By a few years...

Yes, downspouts discharging onto lower shingle roofs is bad. I think I saw other posts with photos of the damage that is caused over time.

In addition, it absolutely deviates from the Code requirements. Where does it say that you ask?

If you all remember, every version of the Code requires that all materials and equipment be installed in accordance with the product manufacturer's installation instructions. Go read or call and ask if the shingle manufacturer is OK with gutters discharging onto a lower shingle roof. Not sure who made the shingles, try any of the large national manufacturer's. they all same the exact same thing.

They are not OK with it. Leaks caused by gutters eroding through the shingles are not covered by the shingle manufacturer's warranty. It does not void the warranty for the whole roof, just for that specific condition.

Ask the Builder to show you where it says in the shingle or gutter manufacturer's installation guide that it is OK to dump directly onto a shingle surface? Call the gutter manufacturer, and get their opinion. Ask for a detail on how to extend the downspout to the lower gutter... call the project designer and ask him if he wanted it that way. Lots of times the gutter installation is not detailed on the drawings and it is left up to the Builder, who leaves it up to the gutter guy who does it the way his Boss taught him to do it, who never read the code or an installation manual in his life...

I see this all the time (even by large national Builders on new construction). I call it out as wrong all the time, because it is not in accordance with the shingle or gutter manufacturer's directions. They fix it all the time, because the Code supports the manufacturer's opinion on how to do it right, and you can't argue with the Code.

I highly recommend that Inspectors educate themselves on the product installation instructions for about everything we see in a house, because no one else reads those things... They are easy to pull up on-line as your write up your report. either that or stop saying you inspected it. If you don't know exactly how a product is supposed to be installed, how can you say it is OK or not.

We can't know everything, but we need to know a little more...

Good luck out there!
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Even though I always put it in the report, I like this explanation better.
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This post is so old that it even has Russell in it.
There is a lot of wisdom in old threads.
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Old 10/16/18, 8:09 PM
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There is a lot of wisdom in old threads.
I agree a lot to learn for any newbies who put in the time to read the archives.
As a wise man once said "you don't know what you don't know, until you know it".




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Old 10/18/18, 10:49 PM
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This post is so old that it even has Russell in it.
And I was thinking this thread is so old Russell and Frank were in it




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Old 10/23/18, 7:37 AM
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I did a warranty inspection on a big house in a development. Many instances of downspouts from upper dormer gutters emptying directly onto the lower roof.

Also, a gutter in a dormer that had no downspout but had the back end (towards the roof surface) open and the water just flows out the back and onto the lower roof.

I called these out and the owner sent the report to the builder (Toll Brothers). The response from the builder reads "The gutters were installed per industry standard. No action to be taken."

Does anyone know a web site or document that would prove these guys wrong?

Thanks;
Shingle manufacturers provide compliance. I listed one below.
IRC: Section R801.3. The code reads as follows:
"In areas where expansive or collapsible soils are known to exist, all dwellings shall have a controlled method of water disposal from roofs that will collect and discharge all roof drainage to the ground surface at least 5' away from foundation walls or to an approved drainage system."

National Rain Gutter Contractors Association (or NRGCA)

Reach out to the builder. Tell them you are only doing your job.
1: Ask them to send you or your client the gutter industry standard by PDF or fax to keep the warranty held harmless.
2: Ask them to send you the name of the manufacturer produced the shingles and what shingle style they used.

Dormer gutters requires a downspout like any gutter.

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Old 10/23/18, 9:11 AM
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Shingle manufacturers provide compliance. I listed one below.
IRC: Section R801.3. The code reads as follows:
"In areas where expansive or collapsible soils are known to exist, all dwellings shall have a controlled method of water disposal from roofs that will collect and discharge all roof drainage to the ground surface at least 5' away from foundation walls or to an approved drainage system."

National Rain Gutter Contractors Association (or NRGCA)

Reach out to the builder. Tell them you are only doing your job.
1: Ask them to send you or your client the gutter industry standard by PDF or fax to keep the warranty held harmless.
2: Ask them to send you the name of the manufacturer produced the shingles and what shingle style they used.

Dormer gutters requires a downspout like any gutter.

Gutters and Downspouts Can Cause Shingle Damage: GAF Report
Robert, this is a 12 year old post and I doubt Will Decker needs any help.
Obviously you don't know who he is.



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Old 10/23/18, 9:35 AM
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Robert, this is a 12 year old post and I doubt Will Decker needs any help.
Obviously you don't know who he is.
Morning Marcel. Hope you and Mrs. Cry are well today.

I understand the post is dated. The post was for other inspectors.

I often use older thread posts to help myself gain insight. I suspect other do as well. I try to bring them back on recent threads. Good questions and information are timeless.

Will had been with InterNACHI 2 years prior my arrival. I remember most members names. Only about 100 or so post on the MB regularly.

Will has turned out to be a recognised home inspector. Will interacts with INACHI members were I pretty much stay to myself. Too much bias. Not for me.

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Old 10/23/18, 3:39 PM
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Will Decker ...Who is he ?
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Old 10/23/18, 6:18 PM
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Will Decker ...Who is he ?
Hi, Bob. Your just pullen everyones leg.
I remember members making fun of Will's orange t shirt frequently.

Anyone know how William is doing?



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