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Old 1/14/19, 6:43 PM
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Inspecting a house today with a contractor friend of the buyers. I told him that the basement room that he referred to as a bedroom was NOT a bedroom that I was listing it as an office. He wanted to know why and I told him the room has the secondary egress needed (main door & exterior door) but, lacked the natural sunlight because it had no window (room had outlets, lighting, heat, closet and 2 doors-one going to outside-No smoke detector) Who is correct ?
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Old 1/14/19, 8:13 PM
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He is. You're not there to argue over room designations.

If he says it's a bedroom, inspect it as a bedroom and list the ways it's deficient as a bedroom.



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Old 1/14/19, 8:44 PM
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What Chuck said.
As long as there's a closet it can be considered a bedroom.



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Old 1/14/19, 8:54 PM
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Inspecting a house today with a contractor friend of the buyers. I told him that the basement room that he referred to as a bedroom was NOT a bedroom that I was listing it as an office. He wanted to know why and I told him the room has the secondary egress needed (main door & exterior door) but, lacked the natural sunlight because it had no window (room had outlets, lighting, heat, closet and 2 doors-one going to outside-No smoke detector) Who is correct ?
I can do that, either way works (basement bedroom -no window (no natural lighting or ventilation present)
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Old 1/14/19, 9:42 PM
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Let the AHJ decide what it is. Also I am in Tucson and last year when I called our AHJ about rooms with out closets or the bedroom /closet debate, they said it is just an old wives tale. They said it makes sense to have a closet and Realtors keep the myth going, but if someone wants to sleep in a room without a closet - they can.




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Old 1/14/19, 10:10 PM
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Let the AHJ decide what it is. Also I am in Tucson and last year when I called our AHJ about rooms with out closets or the bedroom /closet debate, they said it is just an old wives tale. They said it makes sense to have a closet and Realtors keep the myth going, but if someone wants to sleep in a room without a closet - they can.
Agreed. There is nothing in the current code that says a bedroom requires a closet. More than 70sf, natural light, fresh air ventilation, and emergency escape means are required.



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Old 1/14/19, 11:36 PM
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Let the AHJ decide what it is. Also I am in Tucson and last year when I called our AHJ about rooms with out closets or the bedroom /closet debate, they said it is just an old wives tale. They said it makes sense to have a closet and Realtors keep the myth going, but if someone wants to sleep in a room without a closet - they can.

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Agreed. There is nothing in the current code that says a bedroom requires a closet. More than 70sf, natural light, fresh air ventilation, and emergency escape means are required.
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Old 1/15/19, 11:50 AM
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In Wisconsin you can borrow light from somewhere else with a window in the door sometimes they allow for louvers in the door. We need 8% of natural light for bedrooms.
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Old 1/15/19, 12:15 PM
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In days gone by... closets were a luxury, as they were deemed 'wasted space' when constructing a farmhome with local lumber.

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Old 1/15/19, 12:20 PM
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Let the AHJ decide what it is. Also I am in Tucson and last year when I called our AHJ about rooms with out closets or the bedroom /closet debate, they said it is just an old wives tale. They said it makes sense to have a closet and Realtors keep the myth going, but if someone wants to sleep in a room without a closet - they can.
Very nice.




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Old 1/15/19, 12:30 PM
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"402.1 Habitable spaces.
Every habitable space shall have not less than one window of approved size facing directly to the outdoors or to a court. The minimum total glazed area for every habitable space shall be 8 percent of the floor area of such room."




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Old 1/15/19, 1:04 PM
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What Chuck said.
As long as there's a closet it can be considered a bedroom.
Baloney.

Show me where it says a closet is required.

Unless you are sizing a septic system its a non issue except for tradition and marketing.

YMMV

P.S. yes I note the lack of a closet with legal egress that could be used as a bedroom.



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Old 1/15/19, 8:29 PM
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I agree with Chuck. If they want to call it a bed room. Let them. Inspect it as one.
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Old 1/16/19, 9:27 PM
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Default Re: Bedroom Yes or No ?

To further muddy the waters, I will bring up the local Board of Realtors (MLS) rules regarding listing a room as a "bedroom". According to the DFW board, to be listed as a bedroom, a room must have a closet and a window that opens to the exterior. It is assumed it will have a door.

This is the standard that I have become accustomed to and apply when deciding whether a room is a "sleeping room". I'm not inclined to research the listing or to try to decide which room they are calling a bedroom.




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