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Old 12/19/18, 6:17 PM
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Question Window egress question

So I called out the bedroom windows for being too small to meet the egress requirements (at a 2nd story bedroom they were 4.1 SF of openable area by raising the lower sash). The builder replied that it's a double-hung window, so by removing the top and bottom sash, the required area is met.

I call BS.

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Old 12/19/18, 6:50 PM
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Never heard of that one nor could I find anything that supports it on the web.
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Old 12/19/18, 7:16 PM
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The builder replied that it's a double-hung window, so by removing the top and bottom sash, the required area is met.

I call BS.

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No special tools or knowledge...you should have to just open the window and escape or whatever, not disassemble it.




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Old 12/19/18, 7:18 PM
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Ask him how the fire rescue/emergency personnel are going to remove the top and bottom sash from the Exterior. And no using their Axe doesn't count.
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Old 12/19/18, 8:11 PM
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Ask him how the fire rescue/emergency personnel are going to remove the top and bottom sash from the Exterior. And no using their Axe doesn't count.
That was my 1st thought.



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Old 12/19/18, 8:36 PM
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The builder replied that it's a double-hung window, so by removing the top and bottom sash, the required area is met.

That was a good one.



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Old 12/19/18, 8:57 PM
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Well, he's creative at least.



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Old 12/19/18, 9:09 PM
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Well, he's creative at least.
I was at a loss for words. I said, well, I better research that. The NC code itself is below. As said above, no special knowledge or tools shall be required.

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Old 12/20/18, 12:41 AM
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It's not that creative. I've used that defense before doing bedroom additions, and it worked with AHJ. The ingress question is not really valid as most windows are locked anyway and would impede a firefighter getting in without breaking something. They do need to be tilt sash double hung windows though.



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Old 12/20/18, 8:26 AM
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It can also be a casement or sliding window as long as it meets the 24" high by 20" wide requirement.



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Old 12/20/18, 1:25 PM
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I vote in favor of the contractor, all I need as a firefighter is an opening I can easily break out. The AHJ's in our area will allow double hungs. Second story DH sashes are often removed to deliver drywall in new construction.

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Old 12/20/18, 9:37 PM
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...Second story DH sashes are often removed to deliver drywall in new construction...
Children do not know how to remove a sash. My 26 year old son couldn't figure it out, sad to say. A fat-azzz couch potato needs to be able to get out the window. That's my stance.

Did you read the code above? It clearly says no special knowledge or tools shall be required.



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Old 12/21/18, 10:12 AM
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I agree with Joe, removing sashes to bring in drywall is merely construction savvy, not expected of any occupants of a building.



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Old 12/21/18, 10:33 AM
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When the lower sash is open. Unobstructed area. The top part of a double hung window is obstructed.
As well, access height.
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When the lower sash is open. Unobstructed area. The top part of a double hung window is obstructed.
As well, access height.
No tools or expertise required.
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What you posted does not match the requirement;

5.7 square feet
The bottom of the egress window opening can't exceed 44” from the finished floor. The minimum opening area of the egress window is 5.7 square feet. The minimum egress window opening height is 24” high. The minimum egress window opening is 20” wide.

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