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Old 11/13/17, 10:45 PM
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Is it okay for a neutral or ground bus bar to extend behind breakers and have connections only accessible by removing breakers? Neutral bus bar-win_20171113_13_30_52_pro-jpg

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Old 11/13/17, 10:56 PM
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I do not think so it is also wrong to have two neutral wires under one screw needs to be repaired by an electrician .





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Old 11/13/17, 11:02 PM
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The panel has been designed and listed that way. If I were an inspector I don't think there is anything to say.
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Old 11/14/17, 12:39 AM
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That looks like GFCI or AFCI Breakers, they stick out farther than standard breakers. Like Jim said, Square D built it that way, but it is a pain to work around. I am sure when the full AFCI / GFCI breaker rules go into full effect manufacturers will come up with better layouts
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Old 11/14/17, 1:21 AM
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I think that the panel is designed for the Homeline breakers which plug directly onto the neutral bus without the pigtail conductor. It's supposed to eliminate the extra conductor from the breaker to the neutral bus on afci and gfci circuits. It looks like they used breakers with pigtails, which left them short on accessible terminals. The double tapping is improper.

If you still can verify that the afci breakers used are listed on the panel label. I suspect that they are but worth checking if possible.



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The panel has been designed and listed that way. If I were an inspector I don't think there is anything to say.
I agree,
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Old 11/14/17, 6:17 AM
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Sorry I disagree ignoring double taps is wrong.
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Old 11/14/17, 9:48 AM
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The panel has been designed and listed that way. If I were an inspector I don't think there is anything to say.
Jim, a bunch of us here like to take on the mfg. and anyone else we can to show our vast cognitive abilities...



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Old 11/14/17, 9:51 AM
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Sorry I disagree ignoring double taps is wrong.
There are two discussions going on here Roy.

Unless: OP wants the panel re-manufactured so the neutral connections (which are double tapped) can be seen...



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I don't think that anyone here is advocating leaving the double taps. The neutral terminations behind the breakers is not a issue.
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Old 11/14/17, 10:33 AM
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The topic of the thread was about the access to the bar. I stayed on topic and answered the question.
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Old 11/14/17, 1:20 PM
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Let it go Jim.
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