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Old 2/6/13, 1:14 PM
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Large Isolated Areas (30-100 sq. ft) – e.g., several wallboard panels
  • An Industrial hygienists, Certified Mold Inspector,or a IAQ Tech, should be consulted prior to remediation activities to provide oversight for the project.
  • It is recommended that personnel be trained in the handling of hazardous materials and equipped with respiratory protection (N-95 disposable respirator). Respirators must be used in accordance with OSHA respiratory protection standard (29 CFR 1910.134) Gloves and eye protection should also be worn.
  • Surfaces in the work area and areas directly adjacent that could become decontaminated should be covered with a secured plastics sheet(s) before remediation to contain dust/debris and prevent further contamination.
  • Seal ventilation ducts/grills in the work area and areas directly adjacent with plastic sheeting.
  • The work area and areas directly adjacent should be unoccupied. Removing people from spaces adjacent to the work area is not necessary, but is recommended for infants (less than 12 month old), persons recovering from recent surgery, immune-suppressed or people with respiratory diseases.
  • Dust suppression methods, such as misting (not soakings) surface prior to remediation, are recommended.
  • Contaminated materials that cannot be cleaned should be removed from the building in sealed impermeable plastic bags and disposed of as ordinary waste.
  • The work area/areas used by workers for access/egress should be HEPA vacuumed and cleaned with a damp cloth or mop and a detergent.
  • All areas should be left dry and visibly free from contamination and debris
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Old 2/6/13, 1:19 PM
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OSHA is concerned the work place not residential

Level III: Large Isolated Areas (30 –100 square feet) – e.g., several wallboard panels.

Industrial hygienists or other environmental health and safety professionals with experience performing microbial investigations and/or mold remediation should be consulted prior to remediation activities to provide oversight for the project.

The following procedures may be implemented depending upon the severity of the contamination:

It is recommended that personnel be trained in the handling of hazardous materials and equipped with respiratory protection (e.g., N-95 disposable respirator). Respirators must be used in accordance with the OSHA respiratory protection standard (29 CFR 1910.134). Gloves and eye protection should be worn.

Surfaces in the work area and areas directly adjacent that could become decontaminated should be covered with a secured plastic sheet(s) before remediation to contain dust/ debris and prevent further contamination.

Seal ventilation ducts/grills in the work area and areas directly adjacent with plastic sheeting.

The work area and areas directly adjacent should be unoccupied. Removing people from spaces near the work area is recommended for infants, persons having undergone recent surgery, immunesuppressed people, or people with chronic inflammatory lung diseases. (e.g., asthma, hypersensitivity pneumonitis, and severe allergies).

Dust suppression methods, such as misting (not soaking) surfaces prior to mediation, are recommended.

Contaminated materials that cannot be cleaned should be removed from the building in sealed impermeable plastic bags. These materials may be disposed of as ordinary waste.

The work area and surrounding areas should be HEPA vacuumed and cleaned with a damp cloth or mop and a detergent solution.

All areas should be left dry and visibly free from contamination and debris.

Note: If abatement procedures are expected to generate a lot of dust (e.g., abrasive cleaning of contaminated surfaces, demolition of plaster walls) or the visible concentration of the mold is heavy (blanket coverage as opposed to patchy), it is recommended that the remediation procedures for Level IV be followed.

From OSHA site
http://www.osha.gov/dts/shib/shib101003.html

Dennis, please poset your source as it is not the same as the OSHA document.



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Old 2/6/13, 1:26 PM
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sorry mike, this is another case of non communication between governmental
agencies , the EPA left out the last part
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sorry mike, this is another case of non communication between governmental
agencies , the EPA left out the last part
"An Industrial hygienists, Certified Mold Inspector,or a IAQ Tech..."

Your source please

Link please



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LOL. Turns out Michael Larson isn't the only one who can Google mold!

There are opinions out there Michael, just as legitimate and at times much more so, than that of the original link here.

I'm okay with saying, "I don't know", because I don't know for sure about any of this stuff. It seems nobody does- but we all want what's best for the client so don't question the intentions of others here.
Still waiting for his source that includes Certified Mold Inspector.



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Old 2/6/13, 2:21 PM
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http://www.epa.gov/mold/i-e-r.html#How_Do_You_Know

http://des.nh.gov/organization/commi...ments/mold.pdf

well Mike I owe everyone a apology seems they have changed their position, the original post was from NH DES
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I'm okay with saying, "I don't know", because I don't know for sure about any of this stuff. It seems nobody does- but we all want what's best for the client so don't question the intentions of others here.
So if imho using money for remediation is better for my client than spending it on testing, you have no problem with that?

Your voluminous posts indicate otherwise.



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Mike you cannot write a PROTOCOL without KNOWING the air quality. You seem to have difficulty understanding that.

BTW the protocol you put out is partially correct but misses a good number of items.



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http://www.epa.gov/mold/i-e-r.html#How_Do_You_Know

http://des.nh.gov/organization/commi...ments/mold.pdf

well Mike I owe everyone a apology seems they have changed their position, the original post was from NH DES
Thank you Dennis.



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Old 2/6/13, 2:28 PM
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Mike you cannot write a PROTOCOL without KNOWING the air quality. You seem to have difficulty understanding that.

BTW the protocol you put out is partially correct but misses a good number of items.
Go ahead Mr. mold professional, enlighten us.



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Mike you cannot write a PROTOCOL without KNOWING the air quality. You seem to have difficulty understanding that.
BTW the protocol you put out is partially correct but misses a good number of items.
And all this stuff about specific protocols is spitting into the ocean. There are multiple ways to clean up mold and everyone has a method they promote, but nothing is standardized. To say that one protocol "missed" a few steps is one man's or one organization's opinion. Mike is totally correct and home inspectors are smart to constantly push the need for moisture control above all else.

There may be cases where the above first statement is true, but the problem is, mold testing as we are discussing it(performed by typical 4-day class mold inspectors/assessors) is that the NUMBER of samples taken never comes close to what would be necessary to accurately determine IAQ.

This is the point Russ. There is so much potential variability in the samples that a couple test don't tell us anything useful.



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If Larson is out in left field then so is every State that provides guidance on the need for mold testing along with the CDC and the EPA

Who agrees with the office manager Nathan?



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Old 2/6/13, 9:33 PM
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And all this stuff about specific protocols is spitting into the ocean. There are multiple ways to clean up mold and everyone has a method they promote, but nothing is standardized. To say that one protocol "missed" a few steps is one man's or one organization's opinion. Mike is totally correct and home inspectors are smart to constantly push the need for moisture control above all else.

There may be cases where the above first statement is true, but the problem is, mold testing as we are discussing it(performed by typical 4-day class mold inspectors/assessors) is that the NUMBER of samples taken never comes close to what would be necessary to accurately determine IAQ.

This is the point Russ. There is so much potential variability in the samples that a couple test don't tell us anything useful.
There are written standards that have been accepted into court as professional guidelines for mold remediation. IICRCS520. IICRC S500.

Awesome books about mold remediation and the standard books used here.



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There are written standards that have been accepted into court as professional guidelines for mold remediation. IICRCS520. IICRC S500.

Awesome books about mold remediation and the standard books used here.
Yes and as I said they are one of many, and I might add, they can be obtained only for fee. (A policy which matches the motivations of most who follow them) None are universally recognized, especially the testing methods and applications promoted by them.



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Yes and as I said they are one of many, and I might add, they can be obtained only for fee. (A policy which matches the motivations of most who follow them) None are universally recognized, especially the testing methods and applications promoted by them.
By your comment you have never seen the book. Too damn funny and yet you comment on it. Once again, commenting on something you never saw, read or even knew about. But your an authority on the subject when you have no idea what the most recognized book for mold remediation is or even about.

Ignorance is just ignorance it's not bliss like you have been told all these years.



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