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Old 3/21/18, 6:40 PM
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http://www.thewhig.com/2018/03/21/home-inspection-licensing-final-consultations-are-done

Home inspectionlicensing: Final consultations are done

By Cam Allen,For The Whig-Standard
Wednesday, March 21, 20186:12:00 EDT PM


Legislation to license Ontario's home inspection industry continues to crawl toward conclusion.
At the end of February, I attended meetings at Queens Park withthe Ministry of Government and Consumer Relations (MGCS) staff,
working on the development of the Administrative Authority that will govern the licensing of Home Inspectors in Ontario.
They brought in the four major Home Inspection Associations,CAHPI, OAHI, PHPIC and Ont NACHI, along with the only National CertificationOrganization, NHICC
. These organizations were given an outline of the currentstatus of the administration process that is being prepared by the Policy Branch of MGCS.
These meetings, called the “Consultations to Support Regulatory Development under the Home Inspection Act,”
were intended to help in the development of the regulationsunder the Home Inspection Act, 2017 (HIA).
Right at the outset, the MGCS made it very clear that some areas were out of the scope of these meetings;
that being discussions on mandatory licensing and which organization would be designated as the Administrative Authority under the HIA.
The MGCS, under the guidelines of the HIA, are moving ahead with Provincial Licensing and a Government Administration to oversee this industry.
The subjects covered included definition of a home inspection,standards, education, inspection contracts, insurance, code of ethics andreporting methods.
The feed back that I got from my contacts at that first meetingwas that, while there were some good discussions,
the associations have not yet accepted that their influence is coming to an end with respect to any manner of recognized certification outsidethe HIA.
Meetings later that week included representatives from the ESA,RECO, CSA and one Consumers Group.
The MGCS selected three individuals with extensive home inspection experience, Trevor Welby-Soloman, Pam Sayne and myself.
The three of us have no direct affiliation with any of the associations and were able to offer an unbiased overview of the consultation document.
We used the same document, as in the earlier meetings.
However, based upon my information from the two days earlier, we were questioned more on administrative proposals, ideas from the MGCS team on the HIA,
utilizing our experiences in this industry.
The process towards licensing is moving ahead.
The MGCS advised us that they may bring us back in, later in the year for one final “tweak”
of the administration document before it is put up on the government website for final comments, just before implementation.
Their forecast is for initiation of licensing early in 2019;January being the month targeted. By this time next year,
I expect that the only recognized home inspection certification in Ontario will be the Licensed Home Inspector (LHI).
This will protect Ontario home buyers, providing an educated,trained, insured and responsible home inspector to assist in the largest single purchase most people make in a life time.
Cam Allen L.I.W. NHI ACI writes the “Ask the Inspector” column weekly in the Kingston Whig Standard Home Section.

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Old 3/22/18, 10:27 AM
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http://www.thewhig.com/2018/03/21/home-inspection-licensing-final-consultations-are-done

Home inspectionlicensing: Final consultations are done

By Cam Allen,For The Whig-Standard
Wednesday, March 21, 20186:12:00 EDT PM



The MGCS selected three individuals with extensive home inspection experience, Trevor Welby-Soloman, Pam Sayne and myself.
The three of us have no direct affiliation with any of the associations and were able to offer an unbiased overview of the consultation document.



I expect that the only recognized home inspection certification in Ontario will be the Licensed Home Inspector (LHI).
This will protect Ontario home buyers, providing an educated,trained, insured and responsible home inspector to assist in the largest single purchase most people make in a life time.
Cam Allen L.I.W. NHI ACI writes the “Ask the Inspector” column weekly in the Kingston Whig Standard Home Section.


Woops .
Trevor is on the OAHI Board


https://www.oahi.com/english/about/committees.html

Discipline & ProfessionalPractices (DPPC

TREVOR WELBY--SOLOMON


Having been involved with Trevor at various times in the last 18 years I do feel the MGCS could have made a better choice .

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The MGCS selected three individuals with extensive home inspection experience, Trevor Welby-Soloman, Pam Sayne and myself.
The three of us have no direct affiliation with any of the associations and were able to offer an unbiased overview of the consultation document.








No sure how you’re unbiased with a STRONG past affiliation to these groups. Just because you left the club doesn’t make you unbiased…aska lobbyist.














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Old 3/22/18, 6:17 PM
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Woops .
Trevor is on the OAHI Board


https://www.oahi.com/english/about/committees.html

Discipline & ProfessionalPractices (DPPC

TREVOR WELBY--SOLOMON


Having been involved with Trevor at various times in the last 18 years I do feel the MGCS could have made a better choice .

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The MGCS selected three individuals with extensive home inspection experience, Trevor Welby-Soloman, Pam Sayne and myself.
The three of us have no direct affiliation with any of the associations and were able to offer an unbiased overview of the consultation document.








No sure how you’re unbiased with a STRONG past affiliation to these groups. Just because you left the club doesn’t make you unbiased…aska lobbyist.













I hear you Roy.

I know Cam is there working hard for the good of the Ontario industry but I can not let go of how he disparaged INACHI. So just because you do not belong to an organization does not mean you hold contemptuous feeling towards an organization.

Be nice to see level headed organized members participate as well as unaffiliated memebers.
Just my point of view.



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Old 3/24/18, 6:16 PM
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I wonder will Ontario be like this .
__________________________________________________ _________

B C licence fees go up April First .

Home Inspector Licences fees:
The provincial licensing fee for home inspectors is shooting up 36 per cent on April 1,
followed by scheduled 25-per-cent increases in 2019 and 2020.

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All home inspector licencesexpire on March 31.
Licence application fees
  • New licence: $713
    Licence renewal fees
  • Licence renewal: $656
    Other fees and charges
  • Change in licensee’s name or licensed location address: $57
  • Change in senior officers / shareholder of the licensee: $57
  • Submitting an NSF payment or declined credit card payment: $55
  • Application for reconsideration of a decision: $242
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Legislation to license Ontario's home inspection industry continues to crawl toward conclusion.
At the end of February, I attended meetings at Queens Park withthe Ministry of Government and Consumer Relations (MGCS) staff,
working on the development of the Administrative Authority that will govern the licensing of Home Inspectors in Ontario.
They brought in the four major Home Inspection Associations,CAHPI, OAHI, PHPIC and Ont NACHI, along with the only National CertificationOrganization, NHICC
. These organizations were given an outline of the currentstatus of the administration process that is being prepared by the Policy Branch of MGCS.
These meetings, called the “Consultations to Support Regulatory Development under the Home Inspection Act,”
were intended to help in the development of the regulationsunder the Home Inspection Act, 2017 (HIA).

I expect that the only recognized home inspection certification in Ontario will be the Licensed Home Inspector (LHI).
This will protect Ontario home buyers, providing an educated,trained, insured and responsible home inspector to assist in the largest single purchase most people make in a life time.
Cam Allen L.I.W. NHI ACI writes the “Ask the Inspector” column weekly in the Kingston Whig Standard Home Section.[/QUOTE]
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Old 3/25/18, 8:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rcooke View Post
http://www.thewhig.com/2018/03/21/home-inspection-licensing-final-consultations-are-done

Home inspectionlicensing: Final consultations are done

By Cam Allen,For The Whig-Standard
Wednesday, March 21, 20186:12:00 EDT PM


Legislation to license Ontario's home inspection industry continues to crawl toward conclusion.
At the end of February, I attended meetings at Queens Park withthe Ministry of Government and Consumer Relations (MGCS) staff,
working on the development of the Administrative Authority that will govern the licensing of Home Inspectors in Ontario.
They brought in the four major Home Inspection Associations,CAHPI, OAHI, PHPIC and Ont NACHI, along with the only National CertificationOrganization, NHICC
. These organizations were given an outline of the currentstatus of the administration process that is being prepared by the Policy Branch of MGCS.
These meetings, called the “Consultations to Support Regulatory Development under the Home Inspection Act,”
were intended to help in the development of the regulationsunder the Home Inspection Act, 2017 (HIA).
Right at the outset, the MGCS made it very clear that some areas were out of the scope of these meetings;
that being discussions on mandatory licensing and which organization would be designated as the Administrative Authority under the HIA.
The MGCS, under the guidelines of the HIA, are moving ahead with Provincial Licensing and a Government Administration to oversee this industry.
The subjects covered included definition of a home inspection,standards, education, inspection contracts, insurance, code of ethics andreporting methods.
The feed back that I got from my contacts at that first meetingwas that, while there were some good discussions,
the associations have not yet accepted that their influence is coming to an end with respect to any manner of recognized certification outsidethe HIA.
Meetings later that week included representatives from the ESA,RECO, CSA and one Consumers Group.
The MGCS selected three individuals with extensive home inspection experience, Trevor Welby-Soloman, Pam Sayne and myself.
The three of us have no direct affiliation with any of the associations and were able to offer an unbiased overview of the consultation document.
We used the same document, as in the earlier meetings.
However, based upon my information from the two days earlier, we were questioned more on administrative proposals, ideas from the MGCS team on the HIA,
utilizing our experiences in this industry.
The process towards licensing is moving ahead.
The MGCS advised us that they may bring us back in, later in the year for one final “tweak”
of the administration document before it is put up on the government website for final comments, just before implementation.
Their forecast is for initiation of licensing early in 2019;January being the month targeted. By this time next year,
I expect that the only recognized home inspection certification in Ontario will be the Licensed Home Inspector (LHI).
This will protect Ontario home buyers, providing an educated,trained, insured and responsible home inspector to assist in the largest single purchase most people make in a life time.
Cam Allen L.I.W. NHI ACI writes the “Ask the Inspector” column weekly in the Kingston Whig Standard Home Section.
Seems convenient that Mr Allen either left out Ontarioachi or decided to rename it Ont Nachi .... just making a point! He knows the name!



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Old 3/25/18, 9:11 AM
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Seems convenient that Mr Allen either left out Ontarioachi or decided to rename it Ont Nachi .... just making a point! He knows the name!
Thanks Scott I expect it was an error by Cam .
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I think everybody should read and absorb the last sentence, that includes government and licensing committee. The inference is skeptical, the main word is in capital letters PROVIDING


This will protect Ontario home buyers......


Talking to representatives from the U.S. and looking back to B.C. there is no guarantee licensing will provide the results everyone expects. It is just going to be a money grab to be an inspector, thanks to the government.
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This will protect Ontario home buyers......


Talking to representatives from the U.S. and looking back to B.C. there is no guarantee licensing will provide the results everyone expects. It is just going to be a money grab to be an inspector, thanks to the government.
This will protect Ontario home buyers......

I disagree. It will certainly guarantee more money for the provincial coffers when needed.

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Seems convenient that Mr Allen either left out Ontarioachi or decided to rename it Ont Nachi .... just making a point! He knows the name!
I like the name. Catchy.
Just being honest.



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MGCS Selects CMRAO to Build Administrative Authority for Home Inspectors



The Ministry of Government and Consumer Services (MGCS) would like to provide you an update about the home inspector licensing initiative.

The Home Inspection Act, 2017 (HIA) was passed last year, but is not yet in force. The government must develop regulations setting out many of the details necessary for the regulation of the home inspection sector before the HIA can come into force. Once the HIA is in force, it will be mandatory for home inspectors and home inspection providers (firms) to have a licence. Additionally, the government will be able to designate a not-for-profit corporation as the administrative authority (AA) in accordance with the HIA. The AA would then be responsible for administering and enforcing the HIA.

The ministry has selected the Condominium Management Regulatory Authority of Ontario (CMRAO) to build the new AA for home inspectors. These new responsibilities should not affect CMRAO’s existing responsibilities related to licensing condo managers and firms.

Since November 2017, CMRAO has been responsible for licensing and regulating condo managers and condo management providers. With this recent experience implementing a new administrative authority, the CMRAO is well positioned to build the new AA for home inspectors.

There is a lot of work to be done before licensing of home inspectors and home inspection providers begins. The ministry will provide a further update when additional information is available..





Le Ministère Désigne l’OORGC de Mettre en Place une Autorité Administrative pour les Inspecteurs Immobiliers



Le Ministère des Services gouvernementaux et des Services aux consommateurs souhaite vous faire part d’une mise à jour au sujet de l’initiative en matière d’agrément des inspecteurs immobiliers.

La Loi de 2017 sur les inspections immobilières a été adoptée l’an dernier, mais n’est pas encore entrée en vigueur. Le gouvernement doit élaborer de nouveaux règlements renfermant de nombreuses propositions détaillées nécessaires à la réglementation du secteur de l’inspection immobilière avant que la Loi sur les inspections immobilières ne puisse entrer en vigueur. Une fois la Loi sur les inspections immobilières en vigueur, il sera exigé des inspecteurs immobiliers et des fournisseurs de services d’inspection immobilière (sociétés) qu’ils soient titulaires d’un permis. Le gouvernement pourra également désigner une personne morale sans but lucratif en tant qu’autorité administrative en vertu de la Loi sur les inspections immobilières. L’autorité administrative serait alors chargée de l’administration et de l’application de la Loi sur les inspections immobilières.

Le ministère a désigné l’Office ontarien de réglementation de la gestion des condominiums (OORGC) de mettre en place une nouvelle autorité administrative pour les inspecteurs immobiliers. Ces nouvelles responsabilités ne devraient avoir aucune incidence sur les responsabilités actuelles de l’OORGC en ce qui a trait à l’agrément des gestionnaires et des sociétés de gestion de condominiums.

Depuis novembre 2017, l’OORGC est chargé de l’octroi de permis aux gestionnaires de condominiums et aux fournisseurs de services de gestion de condominiums, et de la réglementation de ces derniers. Fort de cette récente expérience en matière de mise en œuvre d’une nouvelle autorité administrative, l’OORGC est bien placé pour mettre en place une nouvelle autorité pour les inspecteurs immobiliers.

Il reste encore beaucoup de travail à effectuer avant la mise en œuvre de l’initiative en matière d’agrément des inspecteurs immobiliers et des fournisseurs de services d’inspection immobilière. Le ministère effectuera une nouvelle mise au point lorsque de nouveaux renseignements seront disponibles.

Pour vous abonner aux mises à jour relatives à la mise en œuvre de la Loi de 2017 sur les inspections immobilières, veuillez vous inscrire sur le site








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