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Default Condensation on outside of my double pane windows

I read your page

https://www.nachi.org/condensation-double-paned-windows.htm

about condensation in double pane windows.

About a year and half ago, I had some double pane windows installed and there was no condensation for some time. But then I began to notice a draft coming from the double pane windows at the front of my house and also to notice condensation on two of the windows. (There are three in from and only two of them show condensation).

Today, the installer came back and noted that the condensation was on the outside of the windows and not between the panes.

Is this normal? If so, why is it only affecting 2 of the windows?

Thanks for your help in this matter.

Doug
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Old 12/29/09, 11:05 PM
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Doug check to see if they are leaking where they come together Locks may need adjustment.
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Old 12/30/09, 12:26 AM
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This page should help some........

http://www.gorell.com/pages/condensation.htm



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Were the supplied windows supposed to have "Low Emissivity" coating on the glass and/or Argon gas-filled? If so, the unit not having condensation should be checked to see if there has been a miss on either/both of these items when assembling the unit.
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Doug,
The above answers are only speculative...

Summer condensation occurs when the outside window surface is cooler than the dew point temperature of the outside air. In the southeast US, summer dew point temperatures range from about 65F to 75F. When temperatures inside the building are within this range, summer condensation problems can occur.

The outside glass surface in energy efficient windows will be closer to the outside air temperature, while the outside glass of an in-efficient window will be closer to the inside temperature. Low-E coatings help reduce the amount of radiant heat transfer through a window. As the summer sun warms the outside glass, a Low-E coating reduces the amount of this heat that moves inward. (The outer glass can warm significantly in the sunshine. During the winter, the inside glass is warmer because of the reduced radiant heat movement outward, and you don't get that "cold" feeling sitting next to a window.) At night during the summer, heat is radiated from the outside glass to the cold sky and other objects. The Low-E coating reduces the heat transfer from inside, so the outside glass surface can cool significantly below outside air temperatures.

In cases where the inside temperature is below the outside temperature, a Low-E coating will allow the outside glass temperature to drop to about the same as that of an inefficient window. In cases where the outside air is colder than the inside temperature, a Low-E coating allows the outside glass to get even colder. Therefore under the right conditions, windows with Low-E coatings can develop more summer condensation than inefficient windows.

Since we cannot control the outside dew point temperature (or relative humidity), the options for preventing summer window condensation problems are to warm the inside surface of the window as a way to warm the outside surface. Raising the thermostat setting is about the only option. Exterior shutters, shades or even trees can help reduce summer condensation problems as well.

In summary, condensation occurs when a surface falls below the dew point temperature of the air. The outside glass in an energy efficient window will be closer to the outside temperature, and the inside glass will be closer to the inside temperature. The glass in an inefficient window will be more heavily influenced by both inside and outside temperatures. A Low-E coating (that reduces radiant heat transfer) will tend to warm the inside surface in the winter, and the outside surface in summer sunshine. A Low-E coating will also lower the outside surface temperature at night in the summer. Therefore, a low-E coating will reduce the potential for winter condensation, while creating more potential for summer condensation situations (especially if the inside thermostat is set near or below the outside dew point temperature.)
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Correct, and the right information.
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Correct, and the right information.
From the initial poster:

"Today, the installer came back and noted that the condensation was on the outside of the windows and not between the panes.

Is this normal? If so, why is it only affecting 2 of the windows?"

We still haven't answered the question or fully told SF how to analyze/test the thermopanes/sealed glass panes for argon/krypton gas loss, missed Low "E" coating, etc.

There are Argon/Krypton gas testers but they are very rare.

One way I used to verify Low "E" coatings is to hold a match or lighter flame close to an inside corner of the window sash and count reflections from the glass surfaces. A regular thermopane with no Low "E" will have 2 flame reflections while the pane with Low "E" will have 3 reflections.
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I just had new windows installed and had the same concern. It is not uncommon in areas with high humidity to have condensation on the outside of the windows. this is due to the high insulating value of double pane, low-E glass with argon. the outside glass actually gets colder then the air allowing condensation to form. there is no way to control the humity on the outside of your home so there is no solution and nothing to worry about. the windows are working as designed.
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Hi,
The condensation is on the inside panes of all the main floor windows and patio door (NOT outside & NOT between the panes). I find it necessary to wipe off the water every morning.
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I just had two energy efficient windows installed yesterday and this morning had condensation on the outside of only these two windows.

Until I read the post from 1/1/2010, I was concerned, but this poster offered a thorough well
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Thanks for keeping this thread available!!
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Thank you for good explanation. I, too, just had windows installed and two of the four have outside condensation when colder and moister outside. I guess I will just wash windows more often :(
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