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Old 1/27/12, 11:08 PM
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What do I tell my client? It will cost him $440 a year. Permit complete in the city of Delray Beach.


Cedar Shake roof installed in 2007...I found plenty of shiners at least 2in of nail measured and 5/8 sheathing....The citizens inspector says its a 6d nail?? WTF????



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Old 1/27/12, 11:11 PM
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What do I tell my client? It will cost him $440 a year. Permit complete in the city of Delray Beach.


Cedar Shake roof installed in 2007...I found plenty of shiners at least 2in of nail measured and 5/8 sheathing....The citizens inspector says its a 6d nail?? WTF????

Take a picture with the ruler as required. Post both pictures here. Send the private information to Russ he is collecting data.



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Old 1/27/12, 11:20 PM
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Take a picture with the ruler as required.

Who has stated what is required?



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Old 1/28/12, 7:45 AM
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What do I tell my client? It will cost him $440 a year. Permit complete in the city of Delray Beach.


Cedar Shake roof installed in 2007...I found plenty of shiners at least 2in of nail measured and 5/8 sheathing....The citizens inspector says its a 6d nail?? WTF????
When roof deck attachment is batten board over wood shakes it is classified as A regardless of the length of the nails. We get these every once in a while. Actually the form reads that way.



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Old 1/28/12, 8:24 AM
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When roof deck attachment is batten board over wood shakes it is classified as A regardless of the length of the nails. We get these every once in a while. Actually the form reads that way.
That is correct ! OR Batten decking supporting wood shakes or wood shingles.



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Old 1/28/12, 11:09 AM
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That is correct ! OR Batten decking supporting wood shakes or wood shingles.
What about this:
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C. Plywood/OSB roof sheathing with a minimum thickness of 7/16”inch attached to the roof truss/rafter (spaced a maximum of
24”inches o.c.) by 8d common nails spaced a maximum of 6” inches in the field. -OR- Dimensional lumber/Tongue & Groove
decking with a minimum of 2 nails per board (or 1 nail per board if each board is equal to or less than 6 inches in width).
-OR- Any
system of screws, nails, adhesives, other deck fastening system or truss/rafter spacing that is shown to have an equivalent or greater
resistance than 8d common nails spaced a maximum of 6 inches in the field or has a mean uplift resistance of at least 182 psf.
Dimensional lumber is a term used for lumber that is finished/planed and cut to standardized width and depth specified in inches

A batten is a thin strip of solid material, typically made from wood,

I would submit that a 1 X 4 batten would be dimensional lumber and therefore, qualify as C.
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Old 1/28/12, 11:22 AM
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Dimensional lumber is a term used for lumber that is finished/planed and cut to standardized width and depth specified in inches

A batten is a thin strip of solid material, typically made from wood,

I would submit that a 1 X 4 batten would be dimensional lumber and therefore, qualify as C.
Eric your definition of dimensional lumber is correct, only problem is the wind mit form specifically states that wood shakes over batten boards is roof deck attachment A



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Old 1/28/12, 11:26 AM
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That is correct ! OR Batten decking supporting wood shakes or wood shingles.

Oops! That's what I meant. Batten decking supporting wood shakes or wood shingles.

Being spanish also doesn't help. I've been told I think backwards.



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Old 1/28/12, 11:29 AM
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yea your tripped up on the wood shakes........Pilar I have never known you to think backwards !



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Old 1/28/12, 11:30 AM
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Eric your definition of dimensional lumber is correct, only problem is the wind mit form specifically states that wood shakes over batten boards is roof deck attachment A
It also says this:
A. Plywood/Oriented strand board (OSB) roof sheathing attached to the roof truss/rafter (spaced a maximum of 24” inches o.c.) by
staples or 6d nails spaced at 6” along the edge and 12” in the field.
-OR- Batten decking supporting wood shakes or wood shingles. -
OR- Any system of screws, nails, adhesives, other deck fastening system or truss/rafter spacing that has an equivalent mean uplift less
than that required for Options B or C below.


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C. Plywood/OSB roof sheathing with a minimum thickness of 7/16”inch attached to the roof truss/rafter (spaced a maximum of
24”inches o.c.) by 8d common nails spaced a maximum of 6” inches in the field. -OR- Dimensional lumber/Tongue & Groove
decking with a minimum of 2 nails per board
(or 1 nail per board if each board is equal to or less than 6 inches in width). -OR- Any
system of screws, nails, adhesives, other deck fastening system or truss/rafter spacing that is shown to have an equivalent or greater
resistance than 8d common nails spaced a maximum of 6 inches in the field or has a mean uplift resistance of at least 182 psf.
I would submit that all of the options in group A would be considered equivalent. And the all of the options in group C would be as well.

Therefore, the fact that the battens are dimensional lumber using 2 nails that are, in this instance,more than likely 10D nails, I would mark C.

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Old 1/28/12, 11:32 AM
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Oops! That's what I meant. Batten decking supporting wood shakes or wood shingles.

Being Spanish also doesn't help. I've been told I think backwards.

Shoot, I bet it does help.

It would double the folks I could communicate with

If I could speak Spanish and creole I would have it made in the shade



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Old 1/28/12, 11:34 AM
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"Batten decking supporting wood shakes or wood shingles"


What if the battens are supporting Fiber Cement tile?

Wood shingles or Shakes are not used?



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Old 1/28/12, 11:35 AM
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"Batten decking supporting wood shakes or wood shingles"


What if the battens are supporting Fiber Cement tile?

Wood shingles or Shakes are not used?
There you go!

This is another example of what happens when you have individuals who know little about the subject matter designing a form.!

Or this: Metal roof
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Old 1/28/12, 11:36 AM
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Eric you underlined everything except for the specific wording that relate to this thread. Lol. Also battens typically only have 1 nail in them. Decking is different than battenn boards. Not sure how you can eliminate the specific wording for specific roofing materials



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Old 1/28/12, 11:39 AM
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Eric you underlined everything except for the specific wording that relate to this thread. Lol. Also battens typically only have 1 nail in them. Decking is different than battenn boards. Not sure how you can eliminate the specific wording for specific roofing materials
I think that is where people are getting hung up, on the battens part.
And the word "OR".

If it is a new roof, as in this case, it has been re-nailed with two nails. If the wood is 1 inch thick and two inches of nail are showing, that makes it a 10D nail.

All of which exceeds the categories in A.


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Eric you underlined everything except for the specific wording that relate to this thread. Lol. Also battens typically only have 1 nail in them. Decking is different than battenn boards. Not sure how you can eliminate the specific wording for specific roofing materials
It was done to make a point.

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