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Old 7/24/18, 12:20 PM
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Was I wrong to call out this "electrical connection" to an Electric water heater installed in 2001 in a house that was built in 1958?
Evidence of cloth wiring?
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Old 7/24/18, 1:27 PM
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Water heater has very old electric feed wires and Tank is well past a normal life . recommend a immediate upgrade to avoid a serious repair expense .


Check your tank for any rust or corrosion. Most hot water tanks are made out of steel and will eventually rust. You may have even noticed rust in your hot water as it is drawn from the tap. If you find rust or corrosion by the temperature and pressure relief valve, and/or the water inlet and outlet connections, it’s a good indication that your tank is rusting and needs to be replaced. Unfortunately, there is not a way to repair a tank once it has started to rust and corrode. If your water heater has not started to leak, it will only be a matter of time.


Where your water heater is located within your home may determine your next step. Leaking water can cause thousands of dollars of damage to your home. Your best option may be to replace your water heater right away to prevent unnecessary expenses and damage. However, if your tank is located in a garage, you may choose to wait until it begins leaking, as the water damage may be minimal.
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Old 7/24/18, 1:52 PM
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The WH is a 2001.
The only thing I see is the romex connector isn't tight.
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Water heater has very old electric feed wires and Tank is well past a normal life . recommend a immediate upgrade to avoid a serious repair expense .


Check your tank for any rust or corrosion. Most hot water tanks are made out of steel and will eventually rust. You may have even noticed rust in your hot water as it is drawn from the tap. If you find rust or corrosion by the temperature and pressure relief valve, and/or the water inlet and outlet connections, it’s a good indication that your tank is rusting and needs to be replaced. Unfortunately, there is not a way to repair a tank once it has started to rust and corrode. If your water heater has not started to leak, it will only be a matter of time.


Where your water heater is located within your home may determine your next step. Leaking water can cause thousands of dollars of damage to your home. Your best option may be to replace your water heater right away to prevent unnecessary expenses and damage. However, if your tank is located in a garage, you may choose to wait until it begins leaking, as the water damage may be minimal.




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Old 7/24/18, 2:35 PM
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The WH is a 2001.
The only thing I see is the romex connector isn't tight.

Yes that makes it 17 years old


Clue #1: Age

The older the water heater, the more likely it is to break down. As a general rule, a tank type water heater will last, on average 8 to 12 years.
With proper maintenance and a little luck, you may be able to nearly double the lifespan of your water heater. But sometimes even with the best care, a water heater will need to be replaced after only a few years. However, if your water heater is pushing the 10-year point, there’s a good chance it’s time to replace the unit.
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Old 7/24/18, 2:38 PM
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Roy,
Yes, the date of the WH is 2001 and made mention of it's age, but no visual indications of leaking. My question is... "Should I not have made mention of the "cloth wiring"?
Thanks for your feedback.
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Nope! It has nothing to do with the WH.
However, I would call out it is ungrounded...And it should be.
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Nope! It has nothing to do with the WH.
However, I would call out it is ungrounded...And it should be.
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not unless the cover has been removed to see if it is grounded .
All the Cloth multi wires I have seen have a ground . I expect this is grounded
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Yes! Roy C.
However, The green screw should have the grounding conductor attached to it.
I would not want to be the inspector that missed that...Nope!
My guess .. It is supplied with 2 conductors with no grounding conductor. Which is typical for a home of this age.




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Old 7/24/18, 3:27 PM
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Yes! Roy C.
However, The green screw should have the grounding conductor attached to it.
I would not want to be the inspector that missed that...Nope!
My guess .. It is supplied with 2 conductors with no grounding conductor. Which is typical for a home of this age.

I am not paid to guess looking at the wire it looks round if it was only two wires it would be flat .
, The only way to be sure is to open the cover .
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Old 7/24/18, 3:29 PM
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Thanks Roy. I did mentioned that there was "no visible evidence of the unit being grounded". I guess I shouldn't have mentioned the cloth wiring. Thanks again.
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Thanks Roy. I did mentioned that there was "no visible evidence of the unit being grounded". I guess I shouldn't have mentioned the cloth wiring. Thanks again.
There isn't nothing incorrect in mentioned the cloth wiring..Not at all...Nope!
But, what did you see when you opened the electrical panels?
Had any wiring been upgraded?..Just curious?




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Old 7/24/18, 7:34 PM
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Yes! Roy C.
However, The green screw should have the grounding conductor attached to it.
I would not want to be the inspector that missed that...Nope!
My guess .. It is supplied with 2 conductors with no grounding conductor. Which is typical for a home of this age.
I'm with you Roy. The equipment ground should be visible on the green screw. I might have said "not properly grounded" in case they did something unusual under the cover buy my money says it's not.



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I've removed electrical cover plates on water heaters to find the ground connected, but not under the top mounted green screw.
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