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Old 4/26/13, 10:57 PM
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This will be fun to watch and see just how it plays out.

Seems like all pain and NO gain for those with just a HI license

I tried to warn you all against having the State run your Businesses for you. I tried.



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Old 4/26/13, 11:06 PM
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Eric, care to rethink this "You now Mike, you keep harping on "you got what you deserve" and I would really like clarification on that.

All this talk of "gloom and doom" because of licensing or the State, or a whole host of other excuses, are just that, excuses.



All the stuff John has posted is the stuff I said would happen and I doubt is what those who were foolish enough to want licensing wanted. At least I hope none of them wanted it. Who knows with that group?



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Old 4/26/13, 11:16 PM
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(a) Identifying concealed conditions or latent defects;

(a)(b) Determining:

1. The strength, adequacy, effectiveness, or efficiency of any system or component;

Home inspectors do not do this now.

2. The causes of any condition or deficiency;

Home inspectors do not do this now.

3. The methods, materials, or costs of corrections;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

4. Future conditions including, but not limited to, failure of systems and components;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

5. The suitability of the property for any specialized use;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

6. Compliance with regulatory requirements (codes, regulations, laws, ordinances, etc.), manufacturer

specifications, installation procedures or instructions;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

7. The market value of the property or its marketability;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

8. The advisability of the purchase of the property;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

9. The presence of potentially hazardous plants or animals including, but not limited to wood destroying

organisms or diseases harmful to humans;
Home inspectors do not do this now, unless you have a wdo license, which will no tchange

10. The presence of any environmental hazards including, but not limited to fungi, molds, toxins, carcinogens,

noise, and contaminants in soil, water, and air;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

11. The effectiveness of any system installed or methods utilized to control or remove suspected hazardous

substances;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

12. The operating costs of systems or components;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

13. The acoustical properties of any system or component;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

14. Conditions that might affect the ability to obtain insurance and/or the price of insurance;
There is nothing stopping any inspector from including this information in an e mail to the client.

15. The calibration of measuring devices including timers, clocks, thermostats, and gauges;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

16. The integrity of thermal glass seals;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

17. The presence of manufacturers’ defects in any product, material, component, equipment, or system, or

information related to recall notices;
The home inspector may not be able to, but a third party vendor could, and again, this could be done via a separate email.

18. Installation conformance to manufacturers’ instructions for any product, component, element, device, or

system;
If that is the case, then the entire inspection will not need to be done, as that is exactly what we are inspecting.

(b)(c) Offering to:

1. Perform any act or service contrary to law;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

2. Perform engineering/architectural services;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

3. Perform work in any trade or any professional service for which a license is required, other than home

inspection, unless licensed to do so;

Home inspectors do not do this now.

(c)(d) Inspecting:

1. Underground items including, but not limited to underground storage tanks or other indications of their

presence, whether abandoned or active;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

2. Recreational facilities;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

(d)(e) Dismantling any system or component, except as explicitly required by these Standards of Practice;
Home inspectors do not do this now.

(f) Utilizing special instruments, tools, or measuring devices of any kind to measure moisture, humidity, water

or air volume, water or air flow, water potability, air quality, temperature, voltage, amperage, electrical grounding,

polarity, and continuity, VOC’s, microwaves, electromagnetic fields, and other similar kinds of conditions or

activities;
This will never make it in and is perhaps the most asinine statement I have ever read.

(e) (g) Operating equipment, appliances, or devices on more than one cycle, zone, or phase or operate any

device, appliance, system, or equipment which in the opinion of the inspector may fail during the act of inspection;
Home inspectors do this now.

(h) Providing any information from any source regarding property ownership, property boundaries, liens,

outstanding loans, code violations, reports of hazardous materials, manufacturers’ recalls, Consumer Protection

Agency bulletins, and other similar kinds of public information.
Hey, to the dumbass who wrote this..."public information". I correct myself in that this is now the most asinine statement I have ever read!

(f) Performing work in any trade or professional service for which a license is required other than home

inspection, unless licensed to do so.
Home inspectors do not do this now.

What we have is a bunch of mumbo jumbo which appears to have been written by a mentally retarded 8 year-old. I apologize to all of the mental retarded 8 year-olds for lumping them in with whatever idiot wrote this.
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Old 4/26/13, 11:23 PM
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Man... I thought California was bad.





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Old 4/26/13, 11:40 PM
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What we have is a bunch of mumbo jumbo which appears to have been written by a mentally retarded 8 year-old. I apologize to all of the mental retarded 8 year-olds for lumping them in with whatever idiot wrote this.
Thanks for the laugh



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Old 4/26/13, 11:54 PM
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Inspectors don't check for Recalls with my product, a third party does (me) as indicated by Eric and he is correct.

I'm not worried about me so much though- this is just colossally bad legislation for the inspection industry overall.
Then I should change the title, If you want to check for recalls, you must use Nathan's service.



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Old 4/27/13, 12:47 AM
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So an Inspector can not check recalls but you can Nathan ?
Obviously that is absurd as well since you have no special license to qualify you for checking recalls.

Why would it be OK for a third party to do so ?

That is a totally goofy looking list that someones mother must have written for an angry Agent or Broker when a sale fell through.
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Old 4/27/13, 12:59 AM
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I have never in my life seen any proposed legislation so ridiculous. It seems if you're a contractor you're good to go, inspect it, fix it, do what you want.

As far as recalls, the state actually believes this would be best?...not allow an inspector to check if there are recalls which are fire hazards?

I would certainly think if something happened the state could be held responsible for any injury or death related to a fire from an appliance if they passed this legislation.
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Old 4/27/13, 1:33 AM
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I have never in my life seen any proposed legislation so ridiculous. It seems if you're a contractor you're good to go, inspect it, fix it, do what you want.

As far as recalls, the state actually believes this would be best?...not allow an inspector to check if there are recalls which are fire hazards?

I would certainly think if something happened the state could be held responsible for any injury or death related to a fire from an appliance if they passed this legislation.
Dale is there a law that legislators must always explain proposed bills and the reasoning behind them before they are even considered ?

If not there should be.
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Old 4/27/13, 2:31 AM
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What are inspectors doing about this?

If the law is not yet passed, get word to the legislators that they are screwing the consumer with that legislation.

I saw them propose lots of sfuff here but we got out in front of it. We showed up at committee meetings and we gave them an earful; over, and over, and over again. We spread the word through friends and relatives and encouraged them all to contact their reps on both sides of the aisle and both the state senate and house. In the end, they listened.

If this is in the rules being drafted by the board, and the board comes under the authority of a director of some sort (Our board is under the Director, Department of Licensing), than organize and ask to meet with the director and then bring your objections to the meeting in writing and explain point by point why this is bad rule making. Put together a presentation that will take no more than ten minutes and then tweak it and rehearse it over and over until you've got it down to less than ten minutes. Make sure you have your group hammer the presenter with questions and rehearse, rehearse.

If there is a board formed and they are still in the process of writing rules, they have to meet and meetings have to be public. Make sure someone is at every board and sub-committee meeting and asks questions and lets those committee members know exactly what their contemporaries think of them. Also make sure the director knows what you think of them. Find one or two consumers who are not inspectors to show up and also voice their objections to the board hamstringing inspectors. One way to approach this is to get them to reword it to say that an inspector is not required to go beyond the standard but that if the inspector wishes to do so the inspector may exceed the standards but it is entirely the inspector's decision and responsibility.

It took us nearly a year of hard work to iron out our rules and we went back to the drawing board at least a dozen times.

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Old 4/27/13, 3:34 AM
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Wow! Restrictive. I thought America was the land of opportunity and free market and trade, not restrictions on ability to earn a living or offering services.
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Old 4/27/13, 4:38 AM
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This is what happens when HI's just want to sling mud and the other professional industries take over. unless licensed to do so.
Preston's comments are on target. I have posted about this repeatedly.

HI's in Florida have spent all their time trying to limit other license holders. Instead of working together with other license holders to develop a sensible set of Standards. I do not know if this draft will be pushed forward. But, if HI's want to remain competitive in the State, their organizations better get it together. Stop focusing on limiting other license holders.

The new definition of a Conspector: A multi licensed inspector who is unlimited in what he/she can inspect.



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Old 4/27/13, 6:39 AM
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10. The presence of any environmental hazards including, but not limited to fungi, molds, toxins, carcinogens.

So if you see mold just keep moving! You are not qualified to say mold is present. You are a lowely HI. Comical stuff here. I guess we'll be using the word "APPEARS" a lot.

Also I think the first line is the most insulting of all. Home inspectors shall not.........sounds like the ten commandments or something.



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Old 4/27/13, 8:02 AM
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Then I should change the title, If you want to check for recalls, you must use Nathan's service.
Or,
Recall search
Or, More recalls
Or, government recalls

John, Do you know who wrote this? I'd like to have a chat with him, but first, I'll need to know what length of 2 x 4 I'll need to bring.
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Old 4/27/13, 8:32 AM
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Just ask the legislators if they would like to have their next home inspected to these standards

Maybe we should create 2 inspections 1 with current standards and 1 with the bs standards posted, should be a no Brainer and an eye opener






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