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Old 7/6/14, 4:08 PM
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The NOA and proof that they were installed on that roof. The receipt with the product, the address and NOA or NOA number.
What John said...

Proposals that are not completed as a contract and marked "paid" don't count by themselves.



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Old 7/6/14, 5:02 PM
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How do you verify the enhanced nail pattern?



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Old 7/6/14, 5:27 PM
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You don't...it's not needed to go that far with it unless you want to. Go early in the morning with a putty knife.



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Old 7/6/14, 5:31 PM
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So- assuming that all product data, receipts, NOA, contracts (marked paid) for roof coverings and installation are all available to the inspector, there are in fact, circumstances where an inspector could mark that the roof coverings are FBC compliant for a roof that was installed pre FBC located outside of the HVHZ?



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Old 7/6/14, 5:38 PM
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Yes, for Miami-Dade County Approved, just not FBC compliant (prior to 03/01/2002). This is one of the "OR's" for selection A or B. I prefer to only use A outside the HVHZ. Do not put a permit date on the form, just list the NOA in the Product Approval box and submit the docs.



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Old 7/7/14, 7:57 AM
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So- assuming that all product data, receipts, NOA, contracts (marked paid) for roof coverings and installation are all available to the inspector, there are in fact, circumstances where an inspector could mark that the roof coverings are FBC compliant for a roof that was installed pre FBC located outside of the HVHZ?
I don't know about outside the zone, but I have done it several times with homes built in Pembroke Pines. The builders there decided to get all of their permits early, 1993, before the code took effect.

The good news is that the plans for those homes were available from the building department and noa numbers were available as well. Then, there was the one insurance agent who wouldn't accept that, so I chiseled out the nail and took a picture of it for him.
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Old 7/7/14, 8:36 PM
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yep. How many wind mits have you done already Scott?
Over 1600 to date... And you?
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Old 7/7/14, 8:44 PM
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yep. How many wind mits have you done already Scott?
1600+
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Old 7/7/14, 8:53 PM
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Wow Scott. That's allot of WindMits.
Congrats to you & your clients.

Meek's probably only performed around 160
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Old 7/7/14, 9:26 PM
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2 or 3 hundred I guess

I guess you got a lot of splaing to do then



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Old 7/8/14, 8:48 AM
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Thanks for the help guys. After digging through the useless comments, that so many of you offered, some offered information dealing with when the FBC went into effect here, or should have gone into effect here. The issue I was having was information coming from our local building dept. vs. local roofing contractors, both of which agree, though it was not the law in 1999, most roofing contractors here did in fact install to the FBC when it was put into effect in the HVHZ, as per the recommendation of the local building department.
We had areas here, after Hurricane Ivan, where the first phase of construction (built in 1997/9 would have all stripped roof tops and the latter phase (built in 1999/2000) would have not one shingle missing. This made it obvious that different products and/or installation practices were followed from 1997/98 to 1999/2000.
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Old 7/11/14, 10:08 AM
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Scott, the FBC was not in existance in 1999. Can you prove Miami Dade product approval for the roof? If not you cannot use "A"



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I do not think he is listening to reasoning And something tells me all those 1000+ reports will remain as they are.



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Old 7/11/14, 11:51 AM
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though it was not the law in 1999, most roofing contractors here did in fact install to the FBC when it was put into effect in the HVHZ, as per the recommendation of the local building department.
I rubbed my eyes twice - It still read it the same way.

Rained out on a big one today, have to return tomorrow for exterior & rooftop.
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Old 7/11/14, 12:34 PM
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I rubbed my eyes twice - It still read it the same way.

Rained out on a big one today, have to return tomorrow for exterior & rooftop.
I'll try and clarify what he is trying to say.

In some areas, not in the HVHZ, Boca Raton for instance, the builders built to the 94 code, even though it wasn't adopted in Palm Beach county. Some touted this as building better than required, after all, Andrew had just hit 2 years prior.

As to the question asked, I think.....
Question 1. You are not going to get any credit if you are not in the HVHZ, unless the permit application date for the structure is after 3/1/2002.

Question 2. The only way you are going to get that credit is if you prove, that you have a Miami-Dade Product Approval listing current at time of installation, or the roof has a permit date after 3/1/2002, and in your case, it is going to have to be the former portion of the previous statement. That can be obtained from the building department, in some instances.

Question 3.The only way you are going to prove C to the insurance company, is with pictures of 8D nails, six inches apart. Maybe you get lucky and get pictures of those dreaded shiners I hear so much about. Maybe you have to start cutting into trusses.

I know it can be done, as I have done it. It may not be done often, but under the right conditions, it can be.
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