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jbushart 4/1/07 6:59 PM

Tidbits from the ASHI Message Board
 
Dear Fellow NACHI Members,

I have been remiss in keeping regular with my clandestine visits to the ASHI board and I must apologize for this. We have a few legislative issues going on in Missouri and the change in seasons have brought an increase in business and...to be quite frank...ASHI has one of the most boring message boards, around. Not quite as quiet as TIJ, but very little going on other than congratulating each other for being ASHI members and making fun of the poor newby who asks a stupid question. I understand why they keep it closed to the public. I would too, if I were them.

Anyway, I had some time today and stopped by to see what was going on and I found a few interesting threads.

One of which was started by new NACHI member, Chuck Bellfontaine, who confirms that ASHI (in spite of their condemnations of us) are indeed highly interested and perturbed by our strong internet presence.

Here is what Chuckles had to report to his fellow ASHI members, several months ago....

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Subject: NACHI is kicking our butt rant

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Below is a chart of keywords that I have been monitoring for quite a while. We recently hired a very bright consultant to help us with our keyword rankings. He is not yet complete with the work he is doing, but we have some impressive and quick results. Listed below are the names of sites that have moved up in the rankings. I watch ours and NACHI's. This is great results for ASHI. I am sure they will continue.

Chuck Bellefontaine

Keywords/URLs I'm Tracking
Keywords URL Search
Engine Rank Daily
Change Weekly
Change Monthly
Change Last Check
Home Inspection Utah http://www.ashi.org Google 2 9,997 5 6 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Minnesota http://www.ashi.org Google 6 9,993 4 7 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Nebraska http://www.ashi.org Google 7 9,992 17 15 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection West Virginia http://www.ashi.org Google 7 9,992 13 14 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Nebraska http://www.ashi.org Google 7 9,992 16 13 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector West Virginia http://www.ashi.org Google 7 9,992 12 15 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector New Mexico http://www.ashi.org Google 9 9,990 18 18 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Iowa http://www.ashi.org Google 10 9,989 19 18 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Kentucky http://www.ashi.org Google 10 9,989 9,989 9,989 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Nevada http://www.ashi.org Google 10 9,989 9,989 9,989 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Vermont http://www.ashi.org Google 10 9,989 22 25 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Iowa http://www.ashi.org Google 10 9,989 20 17 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Nevada http://www.ashi.org Google 10 9,989 9,989 9,989 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Vermont http://www.ashi.org Google 10 9,989 22 9,989 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Alabama http://www.ashi.org Google 11 9,988 27 23 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Missouri http://www.ashi.org Google 11 9,988 29 27 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Mississippi http://www.ashi.org Google 11 9,988 20 19 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Missouri http://www.ashi.org Google 11 9,988 25 28 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector New Jersey http://www.ashi.org Google 11 9,988 1 4 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Rhode Island http://www.ashi.org Google 11 9,988 9,988 9,988 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Rhode Island http://www.ashi.org Google 12 9,987 9,987 9,987 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Delaware http://www.ashi.org Google 12+13 9,987 21 16 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Delaware http://www.ashi.org Google 13+14 9,986 9,986 15 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Idaho http://www.ashi.org Google 13 9,986 16 19 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Indiana http://www.ashi.org Google 13 9,986 20 22 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Maine http://www.ashi.org Google 13 9,986 23 18 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Idaho http://www.ashi.org Google 13 9,986 17 18 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Kentucky http://www.ashi.org Google 13 9,986 9,986 9,986 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Maine http://www.ashi.org Google 13 9,986 22 20 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Oklahoma http://www.ashi.org Google 14 9,985 15 13 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Indiana http://www.ashi.org Google 14 9,985 20 23 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector New Hampshire http://www.ashi.org Google 14 9,985 10 11 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection New Mexico http://www.ashi.org Google 16 9,983 7 7 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector North Dakota http://www.ashi.org Google 16 9,983 3 3 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Ohio http://www.ashi.org Google 17 9,982 8 9,982 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Georgia http://www.ashi.org Google 18 9,981 9,981 9,981 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Pennsylvania http://www.ashi.org Google 18 9,981 9,981 9,981 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Arizona http://www.ashi.org Google 24 9,975 9,975 9,975 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Arizona http://www.ashi.org Google 24 9,975 9,975 9,975 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Oklahoma https://www.nachi.org Google 26 9,973 -5 9,973 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Georgia http://www.ashi.org Google 33 9,966 16 17 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Indiana https://www.nachi.org Google 39 9,960 -1 4 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Mississippi http://www.ashi.org Google 41 9,958 -10 -15 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Pennsylvania http://www.ashi.org Google 41 9,958 -1 -2 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Hawaii https://www.nachi.org Google 44 9,955 4 4 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Texas http://www.ashi.org Google 46 9,953 9,953 9,953 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector California http://www.ashi.org Google 49 9,950 9,950 9,950 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Florida http://www.ashi.org Google 50 9,949 9,949 9,949 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Louisiana http://www.ashi.org Google 5 42 4 4 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Louisiana http://www.ashi.org Google 5 36 4 4 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector New Mexico https://www.nachi.org Google 23 25 1 -5 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Michigan https://www.nachi.org Google 7 22 17 7 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector South Dakota http://www.ashi.org Google 30 9 -4 -6 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
home inspector Illinois http://www.ashi.org Google 41 6 9,958 9,958 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Michigan https://www.nachi.org Google 3 4 5 10 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Missouri https://www.nachi.org Google 41+42 4 5 -1 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Texas http://www.ashi.org Google 31 4 9,968 9,968 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Georgia https://www.nachi.org Google 43 2 5 4 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection North Dakota https://www.nachi.org Google 20 2 2 0 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection South Dakota https://www.nachi.org Google 38 2 2 -2 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Virginia http://www.ashi.org Google 14 2 9,985 9,985 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Washington http://www.ashi.org Google 14 2 9,985 9,985 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Connecticut http://www.ashi.org Google 36 2 3 11 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Kansas http://www.ashi.org Google 20 2 2 3 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection Oklahoma https://www.nachi.org Google 9 1 1 0 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Louisiana https://www.nachi.org Google 6 1 2 -3 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector Maryland https://www.nachi.org Google 25 1 4 9,974 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspector South Dakota https://www.nachi.org Google 39 1 1 -5 Sep 15, 2006 Disable
Home Inspection http://www.ashi.org Google 1 0 0 0 Sep 15, 2006 Disable




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Posted: 15 Sep 2006 03:18 PM

I know it seems old, but like I said, ASHI's message board is pretty dead. I'll post a few more threads later this week when I get some time to waste and go back.

wdecker 4/1/07 7:17 PM

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Chuck commented, publically, at a CHicago Chapter meeting early last year, that NACHI was kicking their butt on the internet. This is nothing new.

Their lack of being able to accept reality was one of the reasons that he came over to NACHI.

In fact, many of our member's web sites, and the Chicago Chapter's web site kick their web sites in the rankings (on Google, YAHOO and Alexa rankings).

That's what you get when you get fat and complaciant. ;-)

jwortham1 4/1/07 7:23 PM

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Chuck was my instructor for my HI licensing class.

He's never been anything but fair and even-handed in his comments about NACHI. As Will pointed out, he's a NACHI member also.

nwagner 4/1/07 7:33 PM

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I received an email inviting me to attend an ASHI seminar on marketing. Wow! Seems like they have a thing or two to learn about successful marketing ...:roll:

nwagner 4/1/07 7:36 PM

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I bet Chuckles's SE results would be far worse if he were to look for a home inspector in specific service areas (as almost every prospective actually searches), as oppossed to statewide searches ...
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_5_139.gif

wdecker 4/1/07 7:39 PM

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I am proud to say that I also know Chuck. He, and many ASHI guys, are pretty discussed with what is going on over there.

Let's be straight. I don't believe ASHI was all Machiavelian in their doings, especially when it comes to licenseing in Illinois. They were approached by the state so that they could help define the law. The Illinois SOP is virtually identical to ASHI's (and less stringent than NACHI's). When legislators start to write a law (and since legislators know nothing except how to get re-elected) it's a good thing to have people who know what they are talking about help in writing the law. And, of course, ASHI would want the law written to help their members (just like NACHI does). Nothing wrong with that, or illegal or immoral or unethical.

But, every time an organization startes to believe their own BS, they start to get passed up by the young and hungry.

ASHI, at least here in Illinois, operates somewhat like a Union. The 'new guys' come in, get put in their place, work for a while shleping tools and kissing up to the old 'experts'. Paying their dues. A large number of ASHI guys around here are former Union guys and that is the only system that they know. Thus the 250 inspection rule and the suppression of new members until they get 250. But, this has also lead to many of these new guys going out and, part time, doing $175.00, 1/2 hour checklist inspections, just to get their number up. This has lead to many inspectors (ASHI included) who have their prices forced low. Some policies, if not though out, will back fire.

ASHI membership is down. Some of the older guys (who were, in large part, semi-retired in any case) just didn't get their licenses renewed. Some have moved to warmer climates. So, ASHI finds itself with a few experts and a lot of new guys, and the new guys nipping at the leadership's heals for benefits, ride alongs and being more likely to start they own companies and less likely to bow to the older guys. The old guys are just confused that "the way things have always been" doesn't apply anymore.

At least that's the way it is areound here.

wdecker 4/1/07 7:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nwagner
I bet Chuckles's SE results would be far worse if he were to look for a home inspector in specific service areas (as almost every prospective actually searches), as oppossed to statewide searches ...
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_5_139.gif

Nick.

Please, I would prefer if you did not refer to him as Chuckles. He is a good giy, a fellow NACHI member and a highly respected and experienced HI who has taught many other good HIs.

Thanks;

jburkeson1 4/1/07 7:42 PM

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Hi Jim,

You know they said they closed up all the security issues on their board, this turn of events will no doubt spark another witch hunt where ASHI members are accused of sharing their login information, oh well.

Anyway, as you are well aware there is no worthwhile information or dialog on the ASHI board in regards to HI licensing legislature and it is doubtful there ever will be and that fact pains me.

The NACHI board is the one and only place where you can freely post your licensing position without fear of censure and that fact alone speaks volumes. I am not saying that we always get it right or that it is pretty or that we ever reach consensus, but you can bet your ***** it is well read by all even ASHI.

My guess is even if the ASHI board were totally open to anyone, under the current Draconian monitoring that goes on there it would still be a ghost town devoid of participants. It seems that their board is just a symptom of the problems they have in addressing the larger problems that face our profession. I am not saying that we are right, only that we are attempting to work through the issues without hiding our head in the sand or demanding that everyone have to think the same way. Long live the free, open and unmoderated NACHI board.

nwagner 4/1/07 7:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wdecker
Nick.

Please, I would prefer if you did not refer to him as Chuckles. He is a good giy, a fellow NACHI member and a highly respected and experienced HI who has taught many other good HIs.

Thanks;

I'm sorry, I thought that was a cute nickname he had. I guess that is merely Jim's pet name for him.:blank:

wdecker 4/1/07 7:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jburkeson1
Hi Jim,

You know they said they closed up all the security issues on their board, this turn of events will no doubt spark another witch hunt where ASHI members are accused of sharing their login information, oh well.

Anyway, as you are well aware there is no worthwhile information or dialog on the ASHI board in regards to HI licensing legislature and it is doubtful there ever will be and that fact pains me.

The NACHI board is the one and only place where you can freely post your licensing position without fear of censure and that fact alone speaks volumes. I am not saying that we always get it right or that it is pretty or that we ever reach consensus, but you can bet your ***** it is well read by all even ASHI.

My guess is even if the ASHI board were totally open to anyone, under the current Draconian monitoring that goes on there it would still be a ghost town devoid of participants. It seems that their board is just a symptom of the problems they have in addressing the larger problems that face our profession. I am not saying that we are right, only that we are attempting to work through the issues without hiding our head in the sand or demanding that everyone have to think the same way. Long live the free, open and unmoderated NACHI board.

Good points, Joe.

BTW; After 25 years in the computer field, and having been a pioneer in web sites (see www.randmcnally.com, for one), it is not really all that hard to gain access to their board, even the private forums that are not open to regular members. I used to do it regularly, but not recently. Too boring and predictable.

jburkeson1 4/1/07 7:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wdecker
Nick.

Please, I would prefer if you did not refer to him as Chuckles. He is a good giy, a fellow NACHI member and a highly respected and experienced HI who has taught many other good HIs.

Thanks;

I agree, Charles is a stand up guy and I am happy to call him my friend, he is what is right about ASHI.

wdecker 4/1/07 7:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jburkeson1
I agree, Charles is a stand up guy and I am happy to call him my friend, he is what is right about ASHI.

And now, he is what is right about NACHI.

Praise the L-rd!

nwagner 4/1/07 7:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wdecker
The old guys are just confused that "the way things have always been" doesn't apply anymore.

Ain't it sad that they no longer have the power to hold us back based on the sheer number of home inspection we have performed?!
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nwagner 4/1/07 8:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jbushart
I know it seems old, but like I said, ASHI's message board is pretty dead.

That must be why that dharris guy spends sooooooooo much time here. Can't get your fill on the vanilla BB, can you Mr. Harris?
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dmcauley 4/2/07 10:42 AM

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From what I have gathered from conversations with NACHI and other HIs, ASHI does have it problems. My issue is not with ASHI, NAHI, or other Home Inspection organizations in as much to with our guys continually bashing ASHI and the rest on bulletin boards the public can view. I do not personally believe that bashing and berating our "competition" to others is the way to make us look better is not professional not does it give a perception of us as professionals.

When I get shopped for prices, I state what NACHI demands of me as a home inspector and do not compare this to ASHI, NAHI etc. The more we mention ASHI and the others, the more we keep their name in front of the public, which allows our clients to wonder "who are those guys" and why did this inspector mention them. In my opinion, lets keep these guys out of every bodies mind and thoughts and do our best as an organization to keep ourselves professional and the best inspectors around. ASHI may just go away if people do not know who they are. Wishful and naive thinking on my part, but out of sight, out of mind.

In contrast to that statement, we must do our part as an organization to ensure that the NACHI position on home inspectors becomes and/or remains to be the one people count on for the professional, ethical, elite inspectors we are. This can be done by being a professional, ensuring that NACHI goals and objectives are met and achieved, along with countering ASHI and all the the others ideas in any state assemblies when it comes to laws and ordinance.


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