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jshishilla 4/26/13 9:18 PM

Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Nathan is getting the boot out of Florida. Did I mention that HIs might not be allowed to do four points. If you can not predict the life expectancy of any system or component of a home, who do you think is going to accept your four points? That is not the only things wrong with the up and coming Rules for Florida Home Inspectors. Looks like the contractors and Realtors have a tight grip on the HIs.

Here is a piece for your reading pleasure. BTW these is a draft, not law yet!
Quote:

(3) Home Inspectors shall not practice beyond the scope of their license as a home inspector. The following

actions are beyond the scope of a Home Inspector License:

(a) Identifying concealed conditions or latent defects;

(a)(b) Determining:

1. The strength, adequacy, effectiveness, or efficiency of any system or component;

2. The causes of any condition or deficiency;

3. The methods, materials, or costs of corrections;

4. Future conditions including, but not limited to, failure of systems and components;

5. The suitability of the property for any specialized use;

6. Compliance with regulatory requirements (codes, regulations, laws, ordinances, etc.), manufacturer

specifications, installation procedures or instructions;

7. The market value of the property or its marketability;

8. The advisability of the purchase of the property;

9. The presence of potentially hazardous plants or animals including, but not limited to wood destroying

organisms or diseases harmful to humans;

10. The presence of any environmental hazards including, but not limited to fungi, molds, toxins, carcinogens,

noise, and contaminants in soil, water, and air;

11. The effectiveness of any system installed or methods utilized to control or remove suspected hazardous

substances;

12. The operating costs of systems or components;

13. The acoustical properties of any system or component;

14. Conditions that might affect the ability to obtain insurance and/or the price of insurance;

15. The calibration of measuring devices including timers, clocks, thermostats, and gauges;

16. The integrity of thermal glass seals;

17. The presence of manufacturers’ defects in any product, material, component, equipment, or system, or

information related to recall notices;


18. Installation conformance to manufacturers’ instructions for any product, component, element, device, or

system;

(b)(c) Offering to:

1. Perform any act or service contrary to law;

2. Perform engineering/architectural services;

3. Perform work in any trade or any professional service for which a license is required, other than home

inspection, unless licensed to do so;

(c)(d) Inspecting:

1. Underground items including, but not limited to underground storage tanks or other indications of their

presence, whether abandoned or active;

2. Recreational facilities;

(d)(e) Dismantling any system or component, except as explicitly required by these Standards of Practice;

(f) Utilizing special instruments, tools, or measuring devices of any kind to measure moisture, humidity, water

or air volume, water or air flow, water potability, air quality, temperature, voltage, amperage, electrical grounding,

polarity, and continuity, VOC’s, microwaves, electromagnetic fields, and other similar kinds of conditions or

activities;

(e) (g) Operating equipment, appliances, or devices on more than one cycle, zone, or phase or operate any

device, appliance, system, or equipment which in the opinion of the inspector may fail during the act of inspection;

(h) Providing any information from any source regarding property ownership, property boundaries, liens,

outstanding loans, code violations, reports of hazardous materials, manufacturers’ recalls, Consumer Protection

Agency bulletins, and other similar kinds of public information.

(f) Performing work in any trade or professional service for which a license is required other than home

inspection, unless licensed to do so.

ldapkus1 4/26/13 9:24 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Nate got the boot from NACHI, but Nick saved him.
Maybe Rusty will make his buddies Masseratti payments.
Bye Nate.

phalstead 4/26/13 9:39 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
unless licensed to do so.

staylor7 4/26/13 9:50 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
We'll see.

mmeeker 4/26/13 10:04 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phalstead (Post 1032821)
unless licensed to do so.

But your precious Nachi C.O.E. won't let you do anything else :(

jmurray4 4/26/13 10:15 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Wow!

That left me wondering what an HI will be able to do? They won't even be able to use a moisture meter.

sfogarty 4/26/13 10:19 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Some stuff seems reasonable, and is in my PIA

This one would have me concerned.
Utilizing special instruments, tools, or measuring devices of any kind to measure moisture.

Would you consider using a moisture meter against the rules? THats the most important tool I have to document issues.

sstanczyk 4/26/13 10:21 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mmeeker (Post 1032835)
But your precious Nachi C.O.E. won't let you do anything else :(

Which COE is that? Your statement needs changing since the COE no longer has any consequences for violators....:shock: Just words in cyberspace.

mmeeker 4/26/13 10:24 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
True. But if a contractor who is also a Nachi home inspector performs work on a house he has inspected he has broken the golden rule. I personally think it is asinine.

cevans 4/26/13 10:26 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Quote:

Installation conformance to manufacturers’ instructions for any product, component, element, device, or system;
That one by itself is a huge constraint. When the reeltors start getting sues for all of the things that the home inspectors aren't allowed to tell the buyers, they'll wish they hadn't lobbied for this.

Feel sorry for Florida HI and home buyers if this goes through.

Quote:

(e) (g) Operating equipment, appliances, or devices on more than one cycle, zone, or phase or operate any

device, appliance, system, or equipment which in the opinion of the inspector may fail during the act of inspection;
So does this mean that a home inspector can open a garage door but is not allowed to close it afterward?

This is colossally bad legislation. Looks like someone has declared war on the Home Inspection industry in Florida.

sstanczyk 4/26/13 10:30 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mmeeker (Post 1032843)
True. But if a contractor who is also a Nachi home inspector performs work on a house he has inspected he has broken the golden rule. I personally think it is asinine.

Golden Rule? Ethics? Only your own Ethics matter anymore. Make your money and send some to charity if you feel bad.

phalstead 4/26/13 10:31 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
This is what happens when HI's just want to sling mud and the other professional industries take over. I think some that have said there are some of us out there that provide too much may like these rules. Not one of my clients will.

Can we comment on FPE panels, Poly, etc.? I guess unless licensed to do so.

wwilson3 4/26/13 10:35 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Ah great lobbyist at work Money , greed and dishonest powers to be

mmeeker 4/26/13 10:36 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
I guess some may be re thinking their wonderful licensing now.

You will now likely lose what you thought you gained by getting licensed. All those new rights... I guess you just get new bills and requirements now.

No bad consequences huh. I'll just kick back and watch all this play out :)

evandeven 4/26/13 10:55 PM

Re: Recall Check will not be permitted in Florida
 
Conditions that might affect the ability to obtain insurance and/or the price of insurance;

So, polybutylene, aluminum wiring, fpe panels, etc..we no longer have to disclose?

unless licensed to do so

Seems the home inspection license gives you the right to inspect the home, including the above mentioned items.

Nice try though..................


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